shakes
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What do you rest your case on? The fact that you have no idea what the jays did or did not do?
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals
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What do you rest your case on? The fact that you have no idea what the jays did or did not do?
Im not saying i don't like Dickey im just saying if i was going to trade to very good prospects id shop them around and try to get the best i can i feel like they can do better then Dickey even if they had to add something small.
It said, right in his post, that when the WAR was adjusted for PA he only moved up one spot to 18th. Still well below-average. I honestly don't understand why some people refuse to realize the fact that, to this point, J.P. has been a below-average catcher.
It would make far more sense for you to say that you believe he will become a league average (or better) catcher. I may not necessarily agree, but I couldn't statistically prove that he can't become one the way I can statistically prove that he hasn't been one to this point.
You haven't been able to figure out that I'm talking about time for a catcher.
Notice he was averaging 75 or so AB per month for the first 3 months. Then he's only in the 50s for 2 months as well as a missed month.
Do the math.
Eyedea
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Maybe they did shop them around but i have a hard time believing the best they could get was Dickey.
GoHardSports
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Fair enough. But so far in all 3 seasons JP has seen action, his RISP numbers are ridiculously better than his numbers without. They aren't even close. Even with just players on base his numbers are way better.
No one on;
.207avg, .257obp, .656ops
Men on;
.245avg, .302obp, .788ops
Risp;
.264avg, .321obp, .854ops
Maybe it's just dumb luck but so far throughout his career he hits a lot better with runners on base (especially in scoring position).
I agree with that.. Those two + a Rasmus and another sweetner could have us in discussion for a legit ace.
I like Rasmus, but with Bonifacio and Gose I'd deal him if the return was right.. I'm still of the opinion that Rasums' best days are ahead of him, but I don't wanna get into that again.
GoHardSports
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I very much doubt Price is untouchable. Soon he will price (pardon the pun) himself out of TB's price range and they'll need to get what they can for him before that happens. The longer they wait, the less value they get for him. Now might be the best time to trade him right after a CY Young and with multiple years of control still.
Just finished first semester at college, you would think I would know better.
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Nobody who believes in sabametrics seems to think there's such thing as "clutch", but it's not an unheard of phenomenon and the only response against it is "it doesn't exist".
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I'm curious to what people in this thread think a Cy Young winning pitcher is worth? Dickey is being under rated significantly.
My point is that he's not that far away. JP and the guys at 15 and 16 aren't that different.
Woodman19
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Well, David Price is a Cy Young winner too and I happen to think he is a far more valuable player.
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I don't mean to curb stomp your enthusiasm about Thole. But he's pretty lousy back there. Granted, he handled Dickey as well as anyone could possibly expect a catcher to handle a knuckleballer. I believe he only had 1 passed ball while RA was on the mound all season. But I gotta say, I'm stumped as to how he did it, because defensively he leaves a ton to be desired when the other guys are on the mound.
He's also been inconsistent defensively which you don't see too often. When he first came up he was pretty bad, but that's because he was still new to catching. But then the following year, he was pretty solid back there. But then he had another bad year behind the plate, while at the same time doing a great job with Dickey. He's a weird guy to figure out.
I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but RA holds runners INCREDIBLY well. Which is so rare for a knuckleballer. He also fields his position as well as any pitcher in the game. You guys will love him. I miss him already.
And he's not available. If he were, he wouldn't be traded to the Jays. End of story. Stop bringing up names that will never happen.
Woodman19
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The point is, a young Cy Young award winner is worth allot more then a 38 year old one is. That is what most people have a problem with.
Mr Knies Guy
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Reading this thread (and any that precede it) is like watching 8 year olds argue.... it's usually initiated by the same posters too; just total discussion-degradation relentlessly from the same culprits who just get off on antagonizing with arrogance and self-worship.I've never read threads anywhere on this site/forum where a thread is frequented by the incessant antagonists like some of the misers in here.
Id rather add a little more to get a younger cy young winner and be able to have him for the foreseeable future and not for the next 3 years.
shakes
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If such a player were available, then yes, they would be worth more than Dickey. Alas, they are not.
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