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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals

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Brownstache said:
Anyone hoping that this is all a smoke screen and the Jays are letting Seattle know that they are willing to deal Travis and Noah+ for elite pitching (Felix)
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um no, if they were targeting Felix they would let Seattle no who's available over a phone call.

Anyways, whats interesting with this deal is that before we had not much on the line... Just money. We gave up some solid prospects in the Miami deal but for the most part it was just money we were taking on. With this new proposed deal we are trading away two of baseballs top 50 prospects... one of which is a top 10 MLB prospect. We have officially just took a HUGE risk. Playoffs are now a must - anything short of playoffs in the next 2 seasons will be deemed a catastrophe.
 
I started off not liking this trade, thinking it an overpayment, but this argument from the National Post has completely swayed me:

Over the last three years. Dickey has compiled a 2.95 ERA, a 1.15 WHIP (walks plus hits per inning), a league-leading 230 strikeouts in 2012 (when he started to throw his hard knuckler more, which tops out in the low 80s), and a Cy Young award. He’s an ace. If he had won a Cy Young for the Jays last year, and they had made the off-season moves they have made, would fans want Dickey to be shipped to the Mets for d’Arnaud (who has had injury problems in his minor-league career) and Syndergaard, who isn’t a sure thing?
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He's absolutely right; if the roles were reversed and the Jays were trading Dickey away, even for a haul like the one we're giving up, I would be livid. I had sort of been hoping that Dickey and the Jays wouldn't come to an arrangement to stop this deal from happening, but I'm now officially on board; get 'er done, AA!
 
Phaneuf is Phaneuf said:
I started off not liking this trade, thinking it an overpayment, but this argument from the National Post has completely swayed me:



He's absolutely right; if the roles were reversed and the Jays were trading Dickey away, even for a haul like the one we're giving up, I would be livid. I had sort of been hoping that Dickey and the Jays wouldn't come to an arrangement to stop this deal from happening, but I'm now officially on board; get 'er done, AA!
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Grass is always greener... ;)
 
I, like many, was skeptical of this trade when the parts involved began to leak. I thought that they were giving too much. So much that they were one more elite prospect from acquiring a Felix Hernandez / David Price.

The more I thought about, the more excited I became.

Who is to say that a Price level pitcher was even available? This is real life, not a video games. Just because you can put together a package that is deemed fair market value, doesn't mean the other side has to accept the offer. I'm sure we would all balk at the idea of trading Jose to the Yankees for their top 3 prospects.

The price of elite pitching is clearly high. AA has proven to be an extremely intelligent and diligent manager. I have no doubt that he inquired about the availability of the league's younger and sexier named aces. He has assembled the largest scouting staff in baseball and no doubt consulted them. A lesser pitcher (IMO) in Shields just went for a similarly expensive package. In short, he will Have done his due diligence.

While our prospect pool is taking a substantial hit, AA himself has stated that it had been stocked to the point where it could sustain another blow. The cupboard was far more bare when he took over, and look at all of the talent he amassed in 3 short years. There remains a lot of future talent to be excited about.

And price aside, the idea of acquiring Dickey is extremely exciting. His unique pitch style will mesh perfectly with the power arms of JJ and Morrow and the finesse arms of Romero and Buehrle, giving us one of the top rotations in baseball. Combine this with what I consider to be the most balanced and dangerous offense in baseball, and it sure is an exciting time to be a blue jays fan.

April can't come soon enough!
 
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Jeff Passan is such a ******.

The moment he agrees to a contract extension with the Blue Jays, he, Josh Thole and a prospect will head to Toronto for top prospects Travis d'Arnaud and Noah Syndergaard, catcher John Buck, cash and another prospect. If he doesn't, the deal blows up, almost certainly irreparably, especially embarrassing the Blue Jays, whose desire to contend this year is evident in the steep price they're willing to pay in talent.
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So if Dickey turns down an offer, we should be embarrassed for not giving up our top two prospects ? wtf ?
 
I kind of feel bad for Buck in this situation. Apparently was really excited about returning to Toronto and playing for a contender. He's been pumping Toronto's tires to the other Miami players, sucks for him that he's being flipped.
 
Drew311 said:
I kind of feel bad for Buck in this situation. Apparently was really excited about returning to Toronto and playing for a contender. He's been pumping Toronto's tires to the other Miami players, sucks for him that he's being flipped.
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I'm sure in a way it might affect Josh Johnson and Mark Beuhrle as well.

I know that they will have all of spring training to get used to JP, but a level of comfort is kind of lost there.
 
I dont see Buck being that disappointed. He would be riding the bench for most of the season or being released here, and getting full time duties in New York.

As much as people who follow advanced stats hate to admit it, Arencibia is the man behind the plate in Toronto. Has been since he got here. Hopefully the team OBP is high enough to at least inflate Arencibia's RBI totals.
 
**** yes. Get this deal done. I'm absolutely on board after having thought about it over the weekend. Not that my opinion holds any weight haha. But seriously, bless AA for figuring to go all out and then some.
 
TorontoMarleauLeafs said:
The idea was Sanchez and Syndergaard would eventually replace our aging veterans. Buehrle has 3 years left on his contract, i'm assuming Dickey would as well, and there's always the chance that Johnson goes to FA. Only Romero is locked up past those 3 years. Syndergaard and Sanchez could be ready in 2-3 years and would've been able to fill the voids in the rotation.
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Except that this is the PERFECT time for the Jays to make a splash as contenders. Every team in the division is trending downwards. I wouldn't hold my breath on all these prospects replacing Buehrle, Dickey etc... it would be just as likely that Toronto acquires another starter when they become a more desirable destination combined with an arm from the system.

Look at Kyle Drabek, he's still developing and he was much higher rated than alot of Jays pitching prospects. We have enough prospects in the system for a contending team to justify the overpayment. In my opinion this was one of AA's best moves. Starting pitching wins games, bottom line. We sucked last year because we had no starting pitching. Now we have it in spades.
 
rojac said:
So, you think if the Jays are definitely in playoff contention at the deadline and AA hasn't signed Johnson to an extension, he will trade him? I can see him doing it if the team is out of contention, but I don't think he will do it if they're in contention.

Look at it this way, teams in contention will often trade two or three prospects for a rental pitcher at the deadline. Johnson could be traded for two or three prospects, so keep Johnson in lieu of trading him for prospects would be the same as renting a pitcher. Also, since the most likely buyer of a pitcher like Johnson would be another team in contention, does it make sense to make a competitor better while weakening yourself?
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Good point...in that case AA really has two options. Try to re-sign Johnson early in the season or stick it out with him and most likely let him walk as a FA.

Do we know if AA has met with Johnson already? Would be good to know if an off-season trade is off the table entirely....if we are "going for it", i say keep him and deal with it.
 
Ruski said:
Good point...in that case AA really has two options. Try to re-sign Johnson early in the season or stick it out with him and most likely let him walk as a FA.

Do we know if AA has met with Johnson already? Would be good to know if an off-season trade is off the table entirely....if we are "going for it", i say keep him and deal with it.
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We get a prospect if Jj signs with another team next year no? If we get Dickey to sign a 3 year deal this team should be fine even without signing JJ. A lot of players would wanna come here next year.
 
Its a little heartbreaking to lose D'Anraud and others but to be honest I think AA has built up the organization with good prospects to make this deal. We have a top pick again this year that will replenish the system and with AA and scouting staff there is no sense to not believe that they will do well like in past drafts.

That being said, if I were the Jays Dickey should be place between the 2 power and finese pitchers. This would be my rotation.

Morrow
Buerhle
Dickey
Johnson
Romero

Power, finnese, Knuckball, Power, Finnese

We would give teams fits with this rotation setup in a 3 or 4 game series.
 
AA turned one of the worst farm system's in the league into one of the best in just a couple years. He can easily replace all the prospects he's traded.
 
Any chance AA does this trade because he prefers Jiminez as a prospect? He should be close pretty soon (if he's done rehabbing the tommy john surgery). He projects to be a better defensive catcher, might already be (won a couple awards if I'm not mistaken. Also throws out ~45% of baserunners).

If the bat doesn't totally suck, maybe we just prefer the guy who's a year or two younger at AA with more value behind the plate.
 
donkeyy0 said:
Any chance AA does this trade because he prefers Jiminez as a prospect? He should be close pretty soon (if he's done rehabbing the tommy john surgery). He projects to be a better defensive catcher, might already be (won a couple awards if I'm not mistaken. Also throws out ~45% of baserunners).

If the bat doesn't totally suck, maybe we just prefer the guy who's a year or two younger at AA with more value behind the plate.
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We also have Drabek and Hutchinson.
 
If JJ doesn't re-sign, do we get the typical "type A" picks in return (that is, the signing team's 1st rounder in addition to a supplemental pick), or is compensation different? He wasn't traded mid season so we should still be entitled to something.
 
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