Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals

[weems]

Funny thing is even tho we traded d'Arnaud we still have catching talent in the minors. In Sickels lastest rankings he had Jiminez at Jiminez at #10 and Nessy at #11.

10) A.J. Jimenez, C, Grade C+: Recovering from Tommy John. Assuming that goes well, he's a solid defender with a decent bat, though he doesn't have D'Arnaud's power.

11) Santiago Nessy, C, Grade C+: I buy into his defensive skills and he's got plenty of power, but strike zone judgment is problematic. High ceiling, if he adapts well to A-ball his grade will move up quickly. Good catching depth in the system.

 

[AndMat*]

140 mill on next years cap? Gotta love Rogers

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

For those saying he built the farm, he can rebuild it. Hasn't the loophole he exploited so well been all but closed off?

 

[Leafsdude7]

Why not Power, Knuckle, Finesse, Power, Finesse? That way you aren't seeing two finesse lefties back to back? I'm worried Romero/Buerhle back to back would be showing batters too much of the same thing.

So it's something like JJ, Dickey, Buerhle, Morrow, Romero.

I think Romero's and Buehrle's style are as such that, regardless of who pitched the day before, they're going to be just as (un)successful. They rely on location and stuff, not on speed or deception, so even if players see "the same thing" two days in a row, I don't think it's going to hurt either of them any more than if they were split up.

In any case, I'd be more interested in having the insane difference between Morrow and Johnson's 95-98mph fastball vs Dickey's 68-84mph knuckle than giving our 4th and 5th starters equal opportunities to perform well.

 

[Cor]

Baseball people who have had the Blue Jays decline past trade proposals involving Travis d'Arnaud are “completely shocked†that GM Alex Anthopoulos has agreed to send the catching prospect to the Mets for R.A. Dickey, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports. "He's out of his mind," an AL official said of the Blue Jays GM. Here are some more notes from around MLB, starting with Dickey...

One longtime agent not involved in the extension talks between the Blue Jays and the knuckleballer said a three-year extension in the $40-45MM range would be fair for both sides, Olney reports. It’d be a surprise of Dickey gets that kind of money, however. The Mets offered him an additional $20MM over two years and he sought an additional $26MM for that two-year period.
Rival evaluators believe this could be an extraordinary return for the Mets.

This was from MLBTR

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

This was from MLBTR

Sounds like the AL East is mad.

 

[Leafsdude7]

Edit: Can we even call Romero a "finesse" pitcher? His walk rate is pretty high for that classification...

Just one year of a high walk rate. Other than that, he's about 3.5 walks per 9 innings. Consider that, for example, ignoring pre-01 numbers, Halladay's walk rate per 9 innings is 1.5, and I think he fits within the "finesse" classification, though just barely.

 

[BigFatCat999]

The Jays main website forum is a joke.

Almost the entire board ready to jump off a bridge.

So you are saying it's like HF with hockey prospects?

 

[Puckstuff]

As for this proposed deal I would rather give up gose than syndergard and even add in drabek to make up the difference if I had too. So pretty much doc for dickey. I think as of right now were paying more than what we got in return for Roy Halladay.

 

[p.l.f.]

dickey hasnt signed yet

 

[weems]

So you are saying it's like HF with hockey prospects?

No 100 times worse.
Im not even sure the site has Mods?

 

[weems]

As for this proposed deal I would rather give up gose than syndergard and even add in drabek to make up the difference if I had too. So pretty much doc for dickey. I think as of right now were paying more than what we got in return for Roy Halladay.

Add in Drabek?

Drabek has ZERO value at this point.

 

[Sokil]

No 100 times worse.
Im not even sure the site has Mods?

I used to post there like 2004-2006 I think....it was a McGowan madhouse

 

[Future]

Hearing on twitter that they have come to an agreement. Waiting for a more legit sources to confirm.

 

[Sokil]

As for this proposed deal I would rather give up gose than syndergard and even add in drabek to make up the difference if I had too. So pretty much doc for dickey. I think as of right now were paying more than what we got in return for Roy Halladay.

In fairness, the bidding process for Roy was limited to the like 4 teams he let us trade him to, and if we didn't trade him he'd walk for nothing.

 

[bobermay]

Any news on what prospect we'll be getting from the Mets?

 

[Leafsdude7]

In fairness, the bidding process for Roy was limited to the like 4 teams he let us trade him to, and if we didn't trade him he'd walk for nothing.

The bolded is the same situation for the Mets and Dickey. I believe the Jays also gave the Phillies a chance to talk contract extention with Halladay before the trade, too, though I'm pretty sure it wasn't officially signed until after the trade was completed.

ETA: Actually, he did sign it immediately after the trade.

 

[donkeyy0]

Just one year of a high walk rate. Other than that, he's about 3.5 walks per 9 innings. Consider that, for example, ignoring pre-01 numbers, Halladay's walk rate per 9 innings is 1.5, and I think he fits within the "finesse" classification, though just barely.

According to baseballreference...he's been top 5 in the AL in walks issued every year he's been in the majors.

Even in the minors he was known to have some control issues. That's why the walk rate this past year has me so worried. He's shown a tendency to have control issues. Hopefully he can rein it in a bit.

 

[p.l.f.]

buster olney 8am mon
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog...sending-message-their-fans-ra-dickey-deal-mlb

Talent evaluators who have heard Toronto Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos say no to possible deals for catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud in the past are stunned -- completely shocked -- that Toronto has said yes to a to a proposed trade for R.A. Dickey.

There's even more to this deal than d'Arnaud: Noah Snydergaard, regarded as the Jays' best pitching prospect by some teams, would be the cherry on top of this trade for the Mets, if it goes through.

"I can't believe [Anthopoulos is] thinking about doing this," said one AL official Saturday, before the Jays and Mets finished the structure of the deal.

"He's out of his mind," said another.

 

[weems]

Any news on what prospect we'll be getting from the Mets?

Hasnt been any word.
I'm hoping its Wilmer Flores.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Any chance AA does this trade because he prefers Jiminez as a prospect? He should be close pretty soon (if he's done rehabbing the tommy john surgery). He projects to be a better defensive catcher, might already be (won a couple awards if I'm not mistaken. Also throws out ~45% of baserunners).

If the bat doesn't totally suck, maybe we just prefer the guy who's a year or two younger at AA with more value behind the plate.

glad someone mentioned aj jimenez. if it wasn't for an injury and being in the shadow of d'arnaud, he would get more love. he has elite defensive skills, great athletism, hits for average, and pitchers love throwing to him. I think there is a very good chance that jimenez is the says starting catcher in a year or two. teams will learn very quickly not to run on him.

 

[Sokil]

Sounds like the AL East is mad.

Oh, they mad

 

[p.l.f.]

Hearing on twitter that they have come to an agreement. Waiting for a more legit sources to confirm.

where u see that?

 

[Leafsdude7]

According to baseballreference...he's been top 5 in the AL in walks issued every year he's been in the majors.

Even in the minors he was known to have some control issues. That's why the walk rate this past year has me so worried. He's shown a tendency to have control issues. Hopefully he can rein it in a bit.

I guess 3.5 sounds smaller than it is.

It's hard to pigeon-hole Romero into a style, then, as he's not a finesse pitcher and he's not really a power pitcher (he can hit 93-95 now and then, but he averages around 90). I guess in the end, he and Buehrle, who averages 2 walks per 9 innings over his career and throws 86-89 with the very rare 90-91, aren't really that similar anyway.

 

[Future]

buster olney 8am mon
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog...sending-message-their-fans-ra-dickey-deal-mlb

Talent evaluators who have heard Toronto Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos say no to possible deals for catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud in the past are stunned -- completely shocked -- that Toronto has said yes to a to a proposed trade for R.A. Dickey.

There's even more to this deal than d'Arnaud: Noah Snydergaard, regarded as the Jays' best pitching prospect by some teams, would be the cherry on top of this trade for the Mets, if it goes through.

"I can't believe [Anthopoulos is] thinking about doing this," said one AL official Saturday, before the Jays and Mets finished the structure of the deal.

"He's out of his mind," said another.

Why they heff to be mad? You'd think those experts would know that prospects don't always pan out. Especially a 20yr old pitcher and TDA who has had knee problems plus a few concussions.