Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals

[Leafsdude7]

glad someone mentioned aj jimenez. if it wasn't for an injury and being in the shadow of d'arnaud, he would get more love. he has elite defensive skills, great athletism, hits for average, and pitchers love throwing to him. I think there is a very good chance that jimenez is the says starting catcher in a year or two. teams will learn very quickly not to run on him.

AJ's CS% in the minors is 43%.

Insane.

 

[weems]

glad someone mentioned aj jimenez. if it wasn't for an injury and being in the shadow of d'arnaud, he would get more love. he has elite defensive skills, great athletism, hits for average, and pitchers love throwing to him. I think there is a very good chance that jimenez is the says starting catcher in a year or two. teams will learn very quickly not to run on him.

How serious is TJ surgery for a position player?

 

[thatshype]

As for this proposed deal I would rather give up gose than syndergard and even add in drabek to make up the difference if I had too. So pretty much doc for dickey. I think as of right now were paying more than what we got in return for Roy Halladay.

I disagree that we gave up more than the Halladay trade. At the time of the trade, Drabek was probably a bit higher touted than Syndergaard IMO, although some of that might have had to do with his exposure as a Philly prospect. People with more prospect information knew then that D'Arnaud was probably the most valuable piece of the package, but at face value Drabek was the key piece. And the fact that we got Taylor--> Wallace --> Gose from trading Doc means (to me) that we got more value for Halladay than the Mets are getting now.

The real difference is where the prospects are in their development. We received D'Arnaud well before he's ready, and the Mets are getting him pretty much ready for MLB. That's pretty much directly analagous to how we got Drabek at close to MLB-ready, and this time the Mets are getting a pitching prospect a few years away. IF we gave up Marisnick in THIS deal instead of the Miami deal, then I'd say we paid the same price as Halladay. Otherwise, Halladay was a bit heavier of a deal.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

This was from MLBTR

LMAO. "He's out of his mind." Why yes, yes he is.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Any chance AA does this trade because he prefers Jiminez as a prospect? He should be close pretty soon (if he's done rehabbing the tommy john surgery). He projects to be a better defensive catcher, might already be (won a couple awards if I'm not mistaken. Also throws out ~45% of baserunners).

If the bat doesn't totally suck, maybe we just prefer the guy who's a year or two younger at AA with more value behind the plate.

I highly doubt that, but I suppose anything is possible, and I am a huge Jiminez fan.

He certainly looks like he could be a stud defensively, although coming off TJ surgery one has to be a little concerned with how that will affect his ability to throw out runners.

Although I definitely expect him to be a better defensive catcher than d'Arnaud, d'Arnaud's bat is vastly superior. That's not to say that Jiminez is completely useless at the plate, as he most certainly is not, he just lacks the bat that d'Arnaud has. Jiminez still projects to hit for a great deal of contact (very outside chance he hits for .300+ in the majors; .270-.280ish seems more realistic) and while he doesn't walk much, he also doesn't strike out that much. The biggest difference between the two at the plate is that d'Arnaud has tons of power, whereas Jiminez has pretty much none.

Something else to consider with Jiminez (which is something rarely seen in a catcher) is that he's pretty fast. It's not out of the question that he steals 15-20 bags when he reaches the majors. The kid is very athletic.

I definitely believe that Jiminez can be a starter, and a quality one at that, I'm just not sure that he'll be able to make up the difference between his bat and d'Arnaud's, despite being a better defender and baserunner. Anyways, here's to hoping that he can become a great player for us.

 

[Leafsdude7]

How serious is TJ surgery for a position player?

For a first or second baseman or a corner outfielder, not that much. For a catcher, though, it could potentially reduce his CS% notably. Here's hoping he can keep that 40+%.

 

[weems]

I highly doubt that, but I suppose anything is possible, and I am a huge Jiminez fan.

He certainly looks like he could be a stud defensively, although coming off TJ surgery one has to be a little concerned with how that will affect his ability to throw out runners.

Although I definitely expect him to be a better defensive catcher than d'Arnaud, d'Arnaud's bat is vastly superior. That's not to say that Jiminez is completely useless at the plate, as he most certainly is not, he just lacks the bat that d'Arnaud has. Jiminez still projects to hit for a great deal of contact (very outside chance he hits for .300+ in the majors; .270-.280ish seems more realistic) and while he doesn't walk much, he also doesn't strike out that much. The biggest difference between the two at the plate is that d'Arnaud has tons of power, whereas Jiminez has pretty much none.

Something else to consider with Jiminez (which is something rarely seen in a catcher) is that he's pretty fast. It's not out of the question that he steals 15-20 bags when he reaches the majors. The kid is very athletic.

I definitely believe that Jiminez can be a starter, and a quality one at that, I'm just not sure that he'll be able to make up the difference between his bat and d'Arnaud's, despite being a better defender and baserunner. Anyways, here's to hoping that he can become a great player for us.

I think I've read Jason Kendall comparisons for Jiminez.

 

[AndMat*]

Why they heff to be mad? You'd think those experts would know that prospects don't always pan out. Especially a 20yr old pitcher and TDA who has had knee problems plus a few concussions.

I don't think TDA will be going the other way. I think its Gose.

 

[Cor]

Weird how nobody hasn't been able to confirm anything names wise

Watch it be like Lind, Buck and Syndagard for Dickey and Davis

 

[91Kadri91*]

I think I've read Jason Kendall comparisons for Jiminez.

That's actually a pretty good comparison.

I don't think Jiminez will have the bat that Kendall had in his early days, but I do expect him to have more defensive value. Still, like Kendall, Jiminez lacks power, doesn't walk or strike out a ton, and is an above-average baserunner for a catcher.

Good find. I really like that comparison.

 

[AndMat*]

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[Leafsdude7]

I don't think TDA will be going the other way. I think its Gose.

I've thought about this often the past day or so, but if it was Syndergaard, Gose, Buck and a low prospect for what we're reportedly getting, I wouldn't mind it that much. Supposedly, DJ Davis is supposed to be really good and he's only 3 or 4 years away if he develops as quickly as Gose, and as many have mentioned, Syndergaard is only 20, so a lot could happen between now and when he's around the age he'd be expected to make the Bigs at. Jimenez, with his surgery, would probably be much larger of a risk and nowhere near as good as D'Arnaud, plus he's already 22 years old, so his development is a little behind that of D'Arnaud already, at least as far as being MLB-ready.

 

[Bad News Benning]

AJ's CS% in the minors is 43%.

Insane.

kinda scary that his arm wasn't 100% last year and he still nabbed 12 of 22 runners.

 

[donkeyy0]

I highly doubt that, but I suppose anything is possible, and I am a huge Jiminez fan.

He certainly looks like he could be a stud defensively, although coming off TJ surgery one has to be a little concerned with how that will affect his ability to throw out runners.

Although I definitely expect him to be a better defensive catcher than d'Arnaud, d'Arnaud's bat is vastly superior. That's not to say that Jiminez is completely useless at the plate, as he most certainly is not, he just lacks the bat that d'Arnaud has. Jiminez still projects to hit for a great deal of contact (very outside chance he hits for .300+ in the majors; .270-.280ish seems more realistic) and while he doesn't walk much, he also doesn't strike out that much. The biggest difference between the two at the plate is that d'Arnaud has tons of power, whereas Jiminez has pretty much none.

Something else to consider with Jiminez (which is something rarely seen in a catcher) is that he's pretty fast. It's not out of the question that he steals 15-20 bags when he reaches the majors. The kid is very athletic.

I definitely believe that Jiminez can be a starter, and a quality one at that, I'm just not sure that he'll be able to make up the difference between his bat and d'Arnaud's, despite being a better defender and baserunner. Anyways, here's to hoping that he can become a great player for us.

He doesn't have much power though does he? I was about to say 15/15 from a catcher would be huge. Then I saw that his high for HR's in the minors is 4.

I'm worried (or I guess not anymore since it sounds like he isn't Jays property) about D'Arnaud's knees holding up at catcher. The injury was not catching related, but it's still his knees.

 

[AndMat*]

TwitterAdam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN
Players involved in trade have not been informed yet (at least one), so it's not officially done.

 

[Destroyer100]

Its probably not even TDA and syndergard both in the deal. Its probably just one of them plus something else. The deal is not even finalized yet people are just acting like it is.

 

[Bjorn Le]

It really is like reading about Leafs prospects. When in the Toronto system it just feels like these guys lose value, and the second they leave, it's nothing but blue skies ahead.

Tell that to Zach Stewart and Nester Molina. Two highly regarded Toronto prospects who've plummeted since being traded.

 

[Destroyer100]

Weird how nobody hasn't been able to confirm anything names wise

Watch it be like Lind, Buck and Syndagard for Dickey and Davis

I would lol.

 

[weems]

He doesn't have much power though does he? I was about to say 15/15 from a catcher would be huge. Then I saw that his high for HR's in the minors is 4.

I'm worried (or I guess not anymore since it sounds like he isn't Jays property) about D'Arnaud's knees holding up at catcher. The injury was not catching related, but it's still his knees.

I'm a d'Arnaud fan but the injuries are worrisome especially at the catcher position.

I read somewhere yesterday that since 2010 hes had a bad back injury, 2 concussions and last season a knee injury.

Wish the kid good luck but he does seem injury prone at this point.

 

[topched]

I've thought about this often the past day or so, but if it was Syndergaard, Gose, Buck and a low prospect for what we're reportedly getting, I wouldn't mind it that much. Supposedly, DJ Davis is supposed to be really good and he's only 3 or 4 years away if he develops as quickly as Gose, and as many have mentioned, Syndergaard is only 20, so a lot could happen between now and when he's around the age he'd be expected to make the Bigs at. Jimenez, with his surgery, would probably be much larger of a risk and nowhere near as good as D'Arnaud, plus he's already 22 years old, so his development is a little behind that of D'Arnaud already, at least as far as being MLB-ready.

I may not be in the majority here... but I think Gose is more valuable than D'Arnaud to THIS team. TDA may be the better prospect, but it is close.

We've got way more question marks in the OF. Is Rasmus a potential all-star or run of the mill CF? How much longer will JB19 be able to play RF? How good is Melky and what happens after 2 years in LF? Also: How long can Jose Reyes be counted on to be a premier leadoff hitter?

Gose could be the answer to one or more of those questions as early as June or July. TDA is a great prospect at a premier position, but we already have a decent player at C... and we can expect JP to at the very least stay consisent with last season's performance for the next 4-5 years.

 

[Bad News Benning]

For a first or second baseman or a corner outfielder, not that much. For a catcher, though, it could potentially reduce his CS% notably. Here's hoping he can keep that 40+%.

arms can actually improve after tj surgery. he has the athletism and mechanics that are hard to teach. I doubt he has any troubles bouncing back.

 

[weems]

I may not be in the majority here... but I think Gose is more valuable than D'Arnaud to THIS team. TDA may be the better prospect, but it is close.

We've got way more question marks in the OF. Is Rasmus a potential all-star or run of the mill CF? How much longer will JB19 be able to play RF? How good is Melky and what happens after 2 years in LF? Also: How long can Jose Reyes be counted on to be a premier leadoff hitter?

Gose could be the answer to one or more of those questions as early as June or July. TDA is a great prospect at a premier position, but we already have a decent player at C... and we can expect JP to at the very least stay consisent with last season's performance for the next 4-5 years.

Who knows maybe Rasmus has a very good first 2-3 months and we decide to trade him for some top prospects to replenish the farm more then replace him with Gose.

 

[AndMat*]

Who knows maybe Rasmus has a very good first 2-3 months and we decide to trade him for some top prospects to replenish the farm more then replace him with Gose.

With the team we have we can have one rookie in the lineup and it wont hurt us.

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

We've got way more question marks in the OF. Is Rasmus a potential all-star or run of the mill CF? How much longer will JB19 be able to play RF? How good is Melky and what happens after 2 years in LF? Also: How long can Jose Reyes be counted on to be a premier leadoff hitter?

QUESTIONS !

I mean seriously you could ask this of ANY team.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

He throws his knuckleball like 10mph faster than most previous knucklers. So we don't exactly know what's gonna happen.

But not having to worry about TJ is good.

He's actually missing his ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, so it's really uncharted waters. Doctors don't know how he can turn a doorknob without pain. This isn't new though so don't worry, they discovered this back when he was with texas.