If the rumoured reports are true, my only explanation is that Anthopolous thinks the world is ending in 7 days so we might as well go out with a bang. Seriously though..... he wouldn't trade D'arnaud or Syndergard last season for Latos or Gio but now he's including them for a 38 year old? This is stupid, i'm actually sick to my stomach. If true, AA you just got robbed... and i've never said that before. So disappointed, horrible asset management IMO.
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals
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Two were better; 2010 and 2012. Also, his BABIP this year was .298. That's far from high.
I'm not sure what defensive stats you're looking at, but most of them you don't accurately assess a player's defensive abilities over one year. The best defensive statistics as it stands now are only accurately assess the defensive abilities of a player when using a few years of data. In the case of catcher's, there really isn't a great defensive statistic out there. The best I can find (fangraph's catcher defense rating) shows that they're pretty even defensively over the course of their careers. I do believe that Arencibia may turn out to be the better of the two defensively, but as of now, they've been pretty even.
weems
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The team last season was in a much different position then it currently is.
I would almost gurantee that if the Miami deal never happened he would not even contemplate making this move but he obviously sees a opurtunity to win now and hes basically going all in and that wasnt the case this time last year.
Bomber0104
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Hard to say definitively at this point.
Maybe AA knows more about D'Arnaud and Synder than we do?
Exactly. He's also seen what the other AL east teams have done or not done and how that figures into the Jays' oppurtunities. It's also possible that AA and his scouts see something in R.A. Dickey and how he'll fit into the team that they didn't see in Gio and Latos.
weems
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Or maybe another d'Arnaud injury and they are less convinced he can holdup at catcher fulltime?
I strongly believe that this is the case for "some" athletes in certain situations!
Personally, having played a ton of tennis and soccer growing up, my best games where in high pressure situations. The best way i can describe it that early nerves seems to settle down and for me personally, everyone around just kind of slowed down too, so it seemed like the opponent was in slow motion and i could anticipate things WAY better.
Obviously this doesn't happened all the time, but i would assume it be more frequent in professional athletes.
Anyhow...i am slowly becoming comfortable with this trade and if AA can sign a nice 2 year extension, with a team option for 3rd year, i would be happy!
We still have Drabek, Hutchison, McGowan, Sanchez coming in the next few years. Top 10 pick this year, plus you can bet AA will trade Johnson if we don't get an extension done.
Bomber0104
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Wasn't THE Travis Snider ranked higher as a prospect at one point in time than D'Arnaud? Drabek too?
What happened to them again?
Say we traded Snider and Drabek back when for a CY YOUNG WINNER.
All of a sudden, hindsight says that we should have done that deal.
What happened to them again?
Say we traded Snider and Drabek back when for a CY YOUNG WINNER.
All of a sudden, hindsight says that we should have done that deal.
Snider was, yes, but d'Arnaud now is a better prospect than Drabek was at his peak.
First just because the first prospects busted doesnt mean TDA and Syndergaard will.
Also when the spring ranking come out TDA should be ranked higher than Snyder or Drabek ever were.
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Meh, his career BABIP is .276. It's higher, yes, but it's far from unsustainable. That's not to say it will be sustained, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that he could sustain it.
So, you think if the Jays are definitely in playoff contention at the deadline and AA hasn't signed Johnson to an extension, he will trade him? I can see him doing it if the team is out of contention, but I don't think he will do it if they're in contention.
Look at it this way, teams in contention will often trade two or three prospects for a rental pitcher at the deadline. Johnson could be traded for two or three prospects, so keep Johnson in lieu of trading him for prospects would be the same as renting a pitcher. Also, since the most likely buyer of a pitcher like Johnson would be another team in contention, does it make sense to make a competitor better while weakening yourself?
It's funny to go to Baseball America and look at our top prospects from the last 10 years. The only one who comes close to being a stud at their position is Alex Rios. Maybe we do overvalue prospects here.
EDIT: League is good too. As a reliever though.
EDIT: League is good too. As a reliever though.
Chandrashekhar Limit
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I just picture this now, whenever I get mad about the deal:
Morrow
Dickey
JJ
Buehrle
Romero
Wouldn't have thought we'd have this rotation in my wildest dreams at the beginning of the offseason.
Eyedea
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Dwight K Schrute
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The more I think about it the more I like it. Too often we fall in love with the potential of players--- syndergaard is so young the chances of him living up to his potential are slim. I have fallen in love with too many prospects in the past and they usually let me dow. I will take the sure thing this time.
yes we are certainly in a different position but it doesn't mean pay out the ass. I was on the Mets board and they're ecstatic... they can't believe a team is giving up this much. D'arnaud hurts but I could cringe and live with it... Add in Syndergard and I wanna throw my lap top at the wall. Horrible, just horrible over payment. I think fair value for PRICE would be D'arnaud, Syndergard and Sanchez maybe Gose and we're giving up 2/3 of this for Dickey. A similar package got the phillies a PRIME Roy Halladay who was considered the best pitcher in the game at the time. It's funny, because I was the one arguing to go after Dickey, proposing something like Gose + JP and posters here were telling me they wouldn't do Gose straight up. Crazy how fast things change.
Here's the way I look at it. Noah is stil very young. Anything can happen with him. But if everything goes perfectly he could be a great number 2. D'Arnaud, if he can stay healthy has allstar potential. In return, we are getting a Cy Yung winner with 3-4 good years left. It's not horrible.
Yeah not a bad idea lol, Dickey has to start though IMO.
Dickey
Morrow
Buerhle
Johnson
Romero
opening day our opponent would be baffled facing a knuckleballer, then game 2 facing a power, k machine in Morrow, they could never adjust. Day 3 you go to a lefty with a good chance at the sweep. Day 4 you open up a new series with another ace in Johnson, he is pitching against bottom of the rotation starters,,, (that next series is against B0-sox) Day 5 you have Romero pitching against a #5 pitcher. Our rotation is pretty beast, I admitt that.
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