Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[Cor]

He has never played in the major leagues, thus is not a major leaguer. There are no guarentees with prospects, I thought for sure Snider was a future superstar here

THIS^^^^

Snider got the same hype about him that D'Anaurd is getting

 

[Canada4Gold]

In my opinion, the risk isn't worth it. Obviously we don't know the final deal, but possibly 1, possibly 3 years of Dickey is not worth 2 of our top 3/4 prospects in my opinion. You don't need to hoard them, but an excellent farm system is very beneficial.

No you definately don't deal D'Arnaud and Syndergaard for just a year of Dickey. I wouldn't do it for 3 years of him. The Jays will be getting something else, possibly Ike Davis, or another prospect, and I think you gotta go for something like that.

I agree D'Arnaud is tough to give up, but at some point everyone has a price, and when you get that fair price you make the deal especially when you're in a possition where 1 or 2 more good quality players can put you in position where you're looking at the possibility of the world series.

 

[Bjorn Le]

I was referring to their (Grandal and d'Arnaud's) careers, but either way, short spurts of awesomeness aren't unheard of. It wouldn't shock me to see d'Arnaud come up and hit the crap out of the ball. That doesn't mean he's going to be a 10 WAR player over his career.

I mean, Brett Lawrie had a 2.7 WAR in 47 games in 2011. Does that mean he was/is going to be a 9.3 WAR player?

Besides, the point of the post, which you conveniently ignored, was that d'Arnaud doesn't have to be special to be better than J.P. was last year. He merely has to be an average major-league catcher, which I fully expect him to be, right out of the gate, when he's given a chance.

Well that's irrelevant if he's going to be better than JP. I'd rather have Dickey and JP than D'Arnaud and Happ on a contending team.

 

[Sokil]

Well that's irrelevant if he's going to be better than JP. I'd rather have Dickey and JP than D'Arnaud and Happ on a contending team.

a very good way of looking at it.

 

[GoSensGo6172]

I was thinking Niese could be involved in the deal, but unless we gave up another start like Buehrle, than there wouldn't even be any spot for him. THAT is how stacked the rotation would be.

 

[GoSensGo6172]

Well that's irrelevant if he's going to be better than JP. I'd rather have Dickey and JP than D'Arnaud and Happ on a contending team.

That is bang on.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Andy McCullough ‏@McCulloughSL
The Mets have also discussed Noah Syndergaard and Aaron Sanchez for this deal.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Well that's irrelevant if he's going to be better than JP. I'd rather have Dickey and JP than D'Arnaud and Happ on a contending team.

Fair enough.

I was just responding to a poster that wanted to compete now, stating that he doesn't want to wait two or three years to compete with d'Arnaud. I simply said that, in my opinion, d'Arnaud could out-produce Arencibia this year, given the chance.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN
Also heard same as Real McCullough from person familiar with talks that TOR pitching prospects Syndergaard and Sanchez have been discussed.

One not both FWIW

 

[Leafssss]

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN
Also heard same as Real McCullough from person familiar with talks that TOR pitching prospects Syndergaard and Sanchez have been discussed.

One not both FWIW

And hopefully it's been a clear concise "No." from AA each time.

I'm a supporter of acquiring Dickey, but two top three prospects is just too much, unless Wheeler or Harvey are coming back which I doubt happens.

 

[Kamal007]

He has never played in the major leagues, thus is not a major leaguer. There are no guarentees with prospects, I thought for sure Snider was a future superstar here

Ya for sure, there are no guarantees but I mean, we can project a player. He is solid defensively and he can handle a pitching staff, that alone should allow him to be a contributing major leaguer. As a catcher, he doesn't need to be an amazing hitter if he can do the other things. Add his hitting tools with no real glaring holes and you can safely assume he will at least contribute at the major league level as a starter.

And the only reason he hasn't played in the majors is because he was injured. This isn't a 1st year A ball player, this is a seasoned prospect that has done everything he can at AAA. I find it funny that just last week, we were all talking about TDA being an all star in the majors one day and now we are ready to pawn him off for a 38 year old pitcher, along side ANOTHER prospect.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

THIS^^^^

Snider got the same hype about him that D'Anaurd is getting

Yes, because Snider became a bust, so will d'Arnaud for some apparent reason.

Clearly we should trade all of our top prospects in the fear of becoming busts. We should Lawrie while we're at it, he is going to bust too.

 

[King Mapes]

Yes, because Snider became a bust, so will d'Arnaud for some apparent reason.

Clearly we should trade all of our top prospects in the fear of becoming busts. We should Lawrie while we're at it, he is going to bust too.

Lawrie has been a good major leaguer so you make no sence

My point was, TDA is no guarentee. I like him, I really do but Dickey makes us so good.

I reread what I said and lol'd. No pun intended originally

 

[Cor]

Yes, because Snider became a bust, so will d'Arnaud for some apparent reason.

Clearly we should trade all of our top prospects in the fear of becoming busts. We should Lawrie while we're at it, he is going to bust too.

Yes, that is exactly what I said

People are acting like trading D'Anaurd is like trading a future hall of famer. It's not. Snider got the same hype, and he didn't turn out good at all.

Point is, in baseball especially, prospects can go either way, and when we are trying to win, you have to take risks.

Would I prefer to deal JPA and keep D'Anaurd? Sure. But you have to give up quality to get a cy young winner.

 

[shakes]

Yes, because Snider became a bust, so will d'Arnaud for some apparent reason.

Clearly we should trade all of our top prospects in the fear of becoming busts. We should Lawrie while we're at it, he is going to bust too.

Who is saying any of that? The goal is to win the World Series, not win the HFBoards Memorial Trophy for the best prospects.

 

[trellaine201]

The idea of getting dickey excites me BUT i dont want to go give up TOO big of a package.

 

[King Mapes]

Yes, that is exactly what I said

People are acting like trading D'Anaurd is like trading a future hall of famer. It's not. Snider got the same hype, and he didn't turn out good at all.

Point is, in baseball especially, prospects can go either way, and when we are trying to win, you have to take risks.

Would I prefer to deal JPA and keep D'Anaurd? Sure. But you have to give up quality to get a cy young winner.

Not just that but keep in mind the AL East is a bit of a mess next year. When will that happen again?

 

[canucksfan]

Lawrie has been a good major leaguer so you make no sence

My point was, TDA is no guarentee. I like him, I really do but Dickey makes us so good.

I reread what I said and lol'd. No pun intended originally

There is no guarantee that the Jays will make the playoffs if they acquire Dickey.

The reason I don't like trading TDA is because he has the potential to become one of the best catchers in the league.

 

[King Mapes]

There is no guarantee that the Jays will make the playoffs if they acquire Dickey.

The reason I don't like trading TDA is because he has the potential to become one of the best catchers in the league.

No but there is a very high chance. Better chance with Dickey and JP than Happ and TDA

 

[canucksfan]

No but there is a very high chance. Better chance with Dickey and JP than Happ and TDA

Let's say they don't and Dickey walks. Then what? You traded your best prospect for nothing.

 

[GoSensGo6172]

The idea of getting dickey excites me BUT i dont want to go give up TOO big of a package.

Was that intentional?

 

[Prominence Problem]

So if fans don't want us to trade prospects for Dickey, what do you want??

Should we trade Baustista & EE for a bunch of prospects, and build around TDA seeing how he is "untradable" he is in peoples minds?!?

I really don't get it. We seem so close to a top notch contender, and we (potentially) go out and get a Cy Young winner from last season, and there is anger everywhere.

AA is showing some balls. He is putting trust in his players & scouting staff. We can always restock the farm.

Almost feels like some fans are afraid to win, like its been that long.

Step aside Yanks, I'm ready for us to be the big bully in this playground!

 

[Orca Smash]

Seen this post on mlb forum, not sure if its been posted here, but very important points.

"Just to put this into perspective, ALL of this information is coming from one or two sources:
Mike Puma (NY POST - METS)
Joel Sherman (NY POST - METS)
Then it's being retweeted and regurgitated.
Absent:
Heyman
Rosenthal
Shi
Sounds like a lot of BS to me."

Was just about to post this. I think it's just the NY Post blowing smoke."
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"This is the same AA that pulled off the Miami deal to hold onto his best prospects, DO YOU REALLY THINK HE'S GOING TO LET GO OF SYN, SANCHEZ, D'ARNAUD for Dickey +?
Guys, until trusted sources (not Mets writers) have something definite, I would trust AA for now."
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"I live in NY, and the sports radio guys are fapping hard at just the thought of having Darno and Gose... I can tell you right now, none of these clowns has a clue who's going one way or the other"
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"Mets fans are delusional.....the latest:
"Dickey, Thole and Duda to Jays for d'Arnaud, Buck, Syndergaard and sanchez. Duda would be a great DH for the jays.. "
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"LOL @ Mets fans"
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"You can see the difference between the two clubs right now. Toronto writers have zero information, NY Post writers tweeting new names every three minutes.
AA runs a tight front office, I have a feeling the end result of this trade is going to be WAY different than the names we've heard."

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Lawrie has been a good major leaguer so you make no sence

My point was, TDA is no guarentee. I like him, I really do but Dickey makes us so good.

I reread what I said and lol'd. No pun intended originally

Yes, that is exactly what I said

People are acting like trading D'Anaurd is like trading a future hall of famer. It's not. Snider got the same hype, and he didn't turn out good at all.

Point is, in baseball especially, prospects can go either way, and when we are trying to win, you have to take risks.

Would I prefer to deal JPA and keep D'Anaurd? Sure. But you have to give up quality to get a cy young winner.

Snider was rushed. D'Arnaud has been brought along properly. Stop comparing the two.

 

[Cor]

Let's say they don't and Dickey walks. Then what? You traded your best prospect for nothing.

Doubt AA lets that happen.

We are all talking what ifs and getting upset over something we have no clue about.

Heck, we have no idea whether D'Anaurd is even in the deal. He is expected to be, but we still don't know.