Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[Hyperglide]

Oh god even TheScore on Facebook is now posting this garbage lol.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I'm glad two of the most trusted reporters in baseball still have their heads on straight.

This. The reports from most others are a joke

 

[p.l.f.]

A deal may not be popular, but it’s smart for both clubs
By JOEL SHERMAN
Last Updated: 4:30 AM, December 16, 2012
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/deal_may_not_clubs_popular_but_it_0Z1R1fB2fHkWkSZezwdCkK

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Evaluators around MLB are beyond shocked TOR is talking about trading Travis d’Arnaud for a player with one year on his contract, Dickey.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
The broad perception in the industry is that if the Mets pull this discussed Dickey deal for d’Arnaud, it’s an incredible trade for them.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Can’t judge reported proposals for #Mets’ Dickey until deal complete. At first glance, D’Arnaud-Syndergaard seems overpay by #BlueJays

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Unless A) #BlueJays sign Dickey to extension and B) #Mets also send back quality prospect. But again, need to see full deal first.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
execs love d’arnaud/syndergaard tandem for #mets, assuming deal gets done. AA probably not loving the publicness of this

Come on, even these guys along with executives think its way too much. TDA being in the deal is more than enough in the first place.

 

[cyris]

A deal may not be popular, but it’s smart for both clubs
By JOEL SHERMAN
Last Updated: 4:30 AM, December 16, 2012
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/deal_may_not_clubs_popular_but_it_0Z1R1fB2fHkWkSZezwdCkK

"therefore, I not only totally understand why the Mets are on the brink of trading R.A. Dickey to Toronto, I endorse it. And though I cannot endorse the Blue Jays using arguably their two best prospects as the bait, I totally understand why they are."
So its a bad trade that could have good results.

 

[theaub]

This reminds me so much of the Rios/Cain trade, which would've been done if Ricciardi didn't open his damn mouth and leak it everywhere

Would be hilarious if he's doing it again from the other side this time.

 

[Leafsforlife98]

This. The reports from most others are a joke

Yea a lot of it is agenda related, so I take it all with a grain of salt. I trust in AA's ability to pull of the blockbuster and know in my heart, that the proposed trade out there would never fly with him. If you're talking about trading the #1, # 3 and #9 prospect from one of the deepest farm systems in the majors, you better be getting someone more like David Price, Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain or Cole Hamels type of pitcher. The potential of those 3 prospects are All Star Catcher, # 1 or # 2 pitcher and a # 4 or #5 type pitcher. Yea I know all prospects don't pan out, but that is a lot of potential to be giving up, and if you do trade that potential away, you get more than 2 or 3 years of a 38 year old pitcher.

 

[TieClark]

"therefore, I not only totally understand why the Mets are on the brink of trading R.A. Dickey to Toronto, I endorse it. And though I cannot endorse the Blue Jays using arguably their two best prospects as the bait, I totally understand why they are."
So its a bad trade that could have good results.

It's a trade that hasn't happened... people really need to stop getting so upset about supposed rumours until a trade actually happens and you can judge it for what it is.

 

[Hyperglide]

Reading some of these comments on Facebook from big sports outlet sites makes my brain hurt. Toronto fans really are dumb holy hell sometimes I can be really ashamed of my fellow fanbase.

 

[canucksfan]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
Evaluators around MLB are beyond shocked TOR is talking about trading Travis d’Arnaud for a player with one year on his contract, Dickey.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
The broad perception in the industry is that if the Mets pull this discussed Dickey deal for d’Arnaud, it’s an incredible trade for them.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Can’t judge reported proposals for #Mets’ Dickey until deal complete. At first glance, D’Arnaud-Syndergaard seems overpay by #BlueJays

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Unless A) #BlueJays sign Dickey to extension and B) #Mets also send back quality prospect. But again, need to see full deal first.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
execs love d’arnaud/syndergaard tandem for #mets, assuming deal gets done. AA probably not loving the publicness of this

Come on, even these guys along with executives think its way too much. TDA being in the deal is more than enough in the first place.

Glad I am of the same opinion as them.

 

[Woodman19]

Can we not go out and get a cheaper piece like Garza if we want that one more good arm to help make a push this year, and can we not also extend him for a 3 year window?

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

The waiting is the hardest part...

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Can we not go out and get a cheaper piece like Garza if we want that one more good arm to help make a push this year, and can we not also extend him for a 3 year window?

Valid questions. Been asking myself the same ones.

 

[Ciao]

No deal i bet. Too much crap being reported. Lets move on.

I dearly hope so. Wrong direction. I wouldn't trade young talent for a 38 y.o. player in any sport. I don't care if were Babe Ruth or Nolan Ryan, or the best or more durable player you can think of. Free agent, yes; trade, no.

Unless the trade bait were truly marginal prosects, or cash.

 

[p.l.f.]

i wouldnt be suprised if AA gets the mets to sneak in another quality player in a 10 player swap

so often the trade comes out different than the rumor

 

[Future]

Better be Ike Davis coming back with Dickey, I swear to God.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Yea a lot of it is agenda related, so I take it all with a grain of salt. I trust in AA's ability to pull of the blockbuster and know in my heart, that the proposed trade out there would never fly with him. If you're talking about trading the #1, # 3 and #9 prospect from one of the deepest farm systems in the majors, you better be getting someone more like David Price, Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain or Cole Hamels type of pitcher. The potential of those 3 prospects are All Star Catcher, # 1 or # 2 pitcher and a # 4 or #5 type pitcher. Yea I know all prospects don't pan out, but that is a lot of potential to be giving up, and if you do trade that potential away, you get more than 2 or 3 years of a 38 year old pitcher.

Yeah, I trust AA too. He hasn't been perfect, but it's hard to argue his track record so far. I can't and don't believe the reports of TDA+Syn for Dickey straight up. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Leafsforlife98]

I bet now that other teams know AA is willing to move some of his BEST prospects, I think other teams will be calling him trying to get something better done. I personally think that is what the big hold up is. AA likes to go through all of his options before making a deal and after all of these waves of news, I really think AA might just look else where.

How many other teams need a young controlable catcher who should one day become an all-star? Maybe at least half of the league? And how many teams need a good young controlable pitcher who has the potential to maybe be a #1 or #2 solid pitcher? Tons I would guess. It even seems that Gose is available as well. You got to get better than RA Dickey for that type of quality.

I really think AA might see what else is out there since I can almost bet that a lot of teams are calling about d'Arnaud knowing he is now available and I hope a better deal can be done than RA Dickey,

 

[Leafsforlife98]

Yeah, I trust AA too. He hasn't been perfect, but it's hard to argue his track record so far. I can't and don't believe the reports of TDA+Syn for Dickey straight up. It just doesn't make sense.

Yea I know. If we all think it's an overpayment, all of the Legit media thinks it's an overpayment, I am pretty sure AA knows it's an overpayment and either changes the deal up or moves in a different direction

 

[p.l.f.]

wright will now how bautista felt these last few yrs

 

[AndMat*]

Better be Ike Davis coming back with Dickey, I swear to God.

Ike davis sucks. It should be Cream coming back with dickey.

 

[King Mapes]

We should just give the middle finger to all our prospects and go big.

3 team deal:

Marlins receive: Ike Davis, Norris, Sanchez, Gose, Lind, 5 mill (to pay Linds salary)

Mets receive: TDA, Syndargaard, Buck

Jays receive: Stanton and Dickey

LETS DO THIS!

/sarcasm

 

[rojac]

Yea I know. If we all think it's an overpayment, all of the Legit media thinks it's an overpayment, I am pretty sure AA knows it's an overpayment and either changes the deal up or moves in a different direction

Or he thinks that's it's overpayment but it gives the Jays the best chance to win in 2013 and so he decides to overpay and make the deal.

 

[theaub]

I'd far rather pay Vernon Wells $2M per year to be a 4th OF/part-time DH against lefties than do this trade fwiw

 

[dredeye]

Can we not go out and get a cheaper piece like Garza if we want that one more good arm to help make a push this year, and can we not also extend him for a 3 year window?

It really looks like the baseball world is as confused as many of us here. I'm really hoping this trade is nowhere near what's been proposed. There are options elsewhere that wouldn't cost this much. I still believe we could get a deal done for Price using the pieces mentioned. It just really doesn't make sense to me.