Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[DD03]

so, remember a month ago when JPA was talking about how he wasnt going anywhere and if only he could tell us what he knew?

is it possible that going into this offseason, the jays had already decided to keep JPA and trade TDA for whatever they could get?

Does that really make sense if TDA was a non-starter at the winter meetings?

 

[Nasty Nazem]

so, remember a month ago when JPA was talking about how he wasnt going anywhere and if only he could tell us what he knew?

is it possible that going into this offseason, the jays had already decided to keep JPA and trade TDA for whatever they could get?

No. JPA only said that... because well, why wouldn't he? He wants to be here, Jays are looking to contend and he thinks he is the best catcher for the team and thinking he won't be going anywhere. Ask most players in the league, they will say they won't be going anywhere until they actually do.

It would be beyond stupid to go with that thinking seeing as d'Arnaud is better than JPA is every facet of the game and TDA would cost nothing for the next 3-4 years while JPA is arbitration eligible next season and going to get expensive because of stupid things like his homerun totals and RBI (HR aren't stupid but overall, his slugging % isn't as high as it should be -- mainly because he doesn't hit many doubles or hit for AVG). TDA is a guy that could be a middle of the line-up hitter with above average defense at catcher. That's a stud -- you don't trade that away especially for "whatever he will get". Meanwhile, JP is below average (good lord, he has a career OBP of .275... PUKE!).

Ugh, still hoping some other teams swoops in and gets Dickey or the deal just falls apart.

 

[Stats01]

All I gotta say is, In AA we trust!! Whatever we give up I'm excited to have Dickey as our ace. The Jays are finally acting like the market we have always been. We are a big time market that deserves winners. Whether that takes money or prospects we need to look at every possible way to contend but at the same time make sure we are able to replenish our farm system. I put all my confidence in AA. If D'Arnaud and Syndergaard are part of the deal, I wish them luck as I welcome a reigning CY Young winner to the top of my rotation. Let's not forget we have the #10 pick in next years draft, don't think that AA hasn't put that into consideration when thinking about moving D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. We're in good shape to grab another blue chipper.

Welcome to AA's world, sit down and enjoy the ride, it may be a while 2013 AL East contenders.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

What I'm getting is people are pissed that the Jays might be giving up 3 good prospects for a pitcher who only had one good year. It's understandable. But pitchers like Dickey don't come around too often, and you gotta take risks to improve your team.. I say do it.

I just hope we keep Aaron Sanchez... plus I believe the Jays scouting team is top notch. Make or break...

 

[Stats01]

What I'm getting is people are pissed that the Jays might be giving up 3 good prospects for a pitcher who only had one good year. It's understandable. But pitchers like Dickey don't come around too often, and you gotta take risks to improve your team.. I say do it.

I just hope we keep Aaron Sanchez... plus I believe the Jays scouting team is top notch. Make or break...

Our scouting system is top notch. We have one of the largest scouting teams if not the largest in baseball.

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

No. JPA only said that... because well, why wouldn't he? He wants to be here, Jays are looking to contend and he thinks he is the best catcher for the team and thinking he won't be going anywhere. Ask most players in the league, they will say they won't be going anywhere until they actually do.

It would be beyond stupid to go with that thinking seeing as d'Arnaud is better than JPA is every facet of the game and TDA would cost nothing for the next 3-4 years while JPA is arbitration eligible next season and going to get expensive because of stupid things like his homerun totals and RBI (HR aren't stupid but overall, his slugging % isn't as high as it should be -- mainly because he doesn't hit many doubles or hit for AVG). TDA is a guy that could be a middle of the line-up hitter with above average defense at catcher. That's a stud -- you don't trade that away especially for "whatever he will get". Meanwhile, JP is below average (good lord, he has a career OBP of .275... PUKE!).

Ugh, still hoping some other teams swoops in and gets Dickey or the deal just falls apart.

We also have zero clue how TDA will perform at the major league level

 

[Leo Getz]

What I'm getting is people are pissed that the Jays might be giving up 3 good prospects for a pitcher who only had one good year. It's understandable. But pitchers like Dickey don't come around too often, and you gotta take risks to improve your team.. I say do it.

I just hope we keep Aaron Sanchez... plus I believe the Jays scouting team is top notch. Make or break...

Most people believe Dickey has put together 3 good years now. Honestly I think the biggest issue most people have is his age. Giving up 2 of your top prospects for a 38 year old (knuckleballer or not) is a bit of a bitter pill to swallow and most were ok when it was just TDA but are wary that Syndergaard is being tossed around now too.

 

[Kurtz]

Let's not forget we have the #10 pick in next years draft, don't think that AA hasn't put that into consideration when thinking about moving D'Arnaud or Syndergaard. We're in good shape to grab another blue chipper.

Welcome to AA's world, sit down and enjoy the ride, it may be a while 2013 AL East contenders.

A #10 pick in baseball is not particularly impressive. Realistically, unless you're drafting in the top 3 or thereabouts, all of the other first rounders seem to be a coin-toss.

Make no mistake about it, if we trade Noah and TDA, this will mean that we've dealt 4 out of our 5 top prospects this off-season season + hech...taking our farm system out of the top 5 in the league, and placing it into bottom 10, if not bottom 5.

 

[King Mapes]

A #10 pick in baseball is not particularly impressive. Realistically, unless you're drafting in the top 3 or thereabouts, all of the other first rounders seem to be a coin-toss.

Make no mistake about it, if we trade Noah and TDA, this will mean that we've dealt 4 out of our 5 top prospects this off-season season + hech...taking our farm system out of the top 5 in the league, and placing it into bottom 10, if not bottom 5.

We'd be nowhere close to bottom 5 but keep in mind this offseason we'd take our bottom 10 team and make it possibly top 5

 

[donkeyy0]

AA didn't want to involve TDA in a deal for Gio last year...and now he's going to trade TDA who's a year closer AND a top 15 pitching prospect for Dickey?

Does. Not. Compute.

Also, the actual tweet from Rosenthal as of Friday was "Sources: D'Arnaud very much in play in Dickey talks between #BlueJays and #Mets. Deal would be bigger, multiple pieces going both ways."

That makes it sound like D'Arnaud by himself would mean the JAYS wanted something back in return. Or am I misinterpreting? Doesn't make sense for the Jays to throw in another top prospect and get nothing of significance back. That extra piece has to be pretty big, or the deal being reported (with the inclusion of Syndergaard) has to be bs.

 

[Communal Blood]

If TDA is traded I'm hoping we draft Jeremy Martinez.

 

[TieClark]

AA didn't want to involve TDA in a deal for Gio last year...and now he's going to trade TDA who's a year closer AND a top 15 pitching prospect for Dickey?

Does. Not. Compute.

Also, the actual tweet from Rosenthal as of Friday was "Sources: D'Arnaud very much in play in Dickey talks between #BlueJays and #Mets. Deal would be bigger, multiple pieces going both ways."

That makes it sound like D'Arnaud by himself would mean the JAYS wanted something back in return. Or am I misinterpreting? Doesn't make sense for the Jays to throw in another top prospect and get nothing of significance back. That extra piece has to be pretty big, or the deal being reported (with the inclusion of Syndergaard) has to be bs.

Again, all these leaks are from the Mets side and they're all over the place. We don't know what the trade will be yet.

Secondly, Dickey is 100x better than Gio "Walkalot" Gonzalez. He just won the Cy Young... and he's been putting up numbers similar to Price for 3 years straight now.

 

[canucksfan]

Again, all these leaks are from the Mets side and they're all over the place. We don't know what the trade will be yet.

Secondly, Dickey is 100x better than Gio "Walkalot" Gonzalez. He just won the Cy Young... and he's been putting up numbers similar to Price for 3 years straight now.

Gonzalez was third in Cy Young voting last year and is younger. RA isn't 100x better.

 

[Ohio Jones]

As per TSN:

If Dickey is traded, he would be only the fourth reigning Cy Young winner in history to start the following season with a new team, joining David Cone (1995), Pedro Martinez (1998) and Roger Clemens (1999).

Trying to figure out my timing - three of the four were Jays pitchers at one point (including Dickey, if we assume a deal is made), but Clemens came here as a FA signing, I think? And Cone was here briefly as a rental a couple of seasons before his 1995 trade... So this the first time the Jays have been on either end of a Cy Young trade - is that correct?

 

[91Kadri91*]

Again, all these leaks are from the Mets side and they're all over the place. We don't know what the trade will be yet.

Secondly, Dickey is 100x better than Gio "Walkalot" Gonzalez. He just won the Cy Young... and he's been putting up numbers similar to Price for 3 years straight now.

Sarcasm?

 

[TieClark]

Gonzalez was third in Cy Young voting last year and is younger. RA isn't 100x better.

He's wild. He walks a ton, throws a ton of wild pitches etc.

He's younger but he isn't as good of a pitcher as Dickey. For some reason Dickey's ability is being seriously underrated because of his age.

 

[TieClark]

Sarcasm?

Tongue in cheek to the Wright is 100x the 3B Lawrie is, but I'm serious that Dickey is a better pitcher

 

[Bjindaho]

Trying to figure out my timing - three of the four were Jays pitchers at one point (including Dickey, if we assume a deal is made), but Clemens came here as a FA signing, I think? And Cone was here briefly as a rental a couple of seasons before his 1995 trade... So this the first time the Jays have been on either end of a Cy Young trade - is that correct?

We traded Clemens to the Yanks in 99. We traded for Cone in 95, only to flip him midseason to the Yanks. And Boston traded for Pedro from Montreal.

It has happened 4 times so far (them being traded the following season) and we've been involved in 3 of the deals (and the Yanks twice).

 

[rojac]

Trying to figure out my timing - three of the four were Jays pitchers at one point (including Dickey, if we assume a deal is made), but Clemens came here as a FA signing, I think? And Cone was here briefly as a rental a couple of seasons before his 1995 trade... So this the first time the Jays have been on either end of a Cy Young trade - is that correct?

It'd be their only time on the receiving end of a trade involving a Cy Young winner, but the Jays were the ones who traded Clemens in 1999.

Edit: I had forgotten about reacquiring Cone in 1995.

 

[Bjindaho]

It'd be their only time on the receiving end of a trade involving a Cy Young winner, but the Jays were the ones who traded Clemens in 1999.

Cone

 

[Natey]

Tongue in cheek to the Wright is 100x the 3B Lawrie is, but I'm serious that Dickey is a better pitcher

Wright is better though.

 

[Porn*]

I would actually trade TDA before JPA who's much more proven in the Bigs.

 

[91Kadri91*]

I would actually trade TDA before JPA who's much more proven in the Bigs.

I'm sorry... what?

You would trade, given the choice, Travis d'Arnaud, instead of J.P. Arencibia? I have to be missing something here.

 

[cyris]

I would actually trade TDA before JPA who's much more proven in the Bigs.

So Tyler Bozak is better than Nathan Mackinnon? He is more proven in the bigs.

Its pretty much the same comparison. TDA has the potential to be one of the best catchers in the game and if JPA can improve he has the potential to be average.

JPA seems like a really cool guy, and good in the clubhouse but he is below average defensively and below average offensively.

His power and personality blind people to how mediocre he really is.

 

[cyris]

You know when I write out something like that ^(my previous post)^ I feel kind bad. I believe every word is true but he is such a nice likeable guy its hard to tear him down. I know he probably doesn't read HFboards but I wouldn't want him to read something like that.