Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[darko]

I feel comfortable with these rumours though. Shi Davidi even expressed that there has to be a significant part being packaged with Dickey if they want both d'Arnaud and Syndergaard. I can't see AA dealing 4 of our top 5 prospects in one month without getting some legitimate pieces to stay here. Yes we have Reyes, but JJ and the rumoured RAD could very well bolt next offseason.

If TDA and Syndergaard both go Dickey will come with an extension. He was rumored to want a 2 year extension.

 

[Eyedea]

If TDA and Syndergaard both go Dickey will come with an extension. He was rumored to want a 2 year extension.

Yeah I understand that, but I don't think 3 years of Dickey is valued at TDA + Syndergaard. I would feel comfortable with TDA+middle level prospect, but to add Synder seems like an overpayment AA shouldn't make.

 

[Sokil]

On a players page, press the blue tab that says "More stats". Scroll down to "Neutralized Pitching". Then right under the red banner it has a "change to" wording. Go across the drop down menu that says "Year (R/G)" and go from there. Kills a couple of hours easily heh.

he also would have been 15-9 on the Mets...hmm...maybe I just need to let the greater picture of these numbers sink in because it doesn't seem toe factor in run support (does it?)

 

[Nasty Nazem]

So looking at the stuff through MLBTR and I'm not understanding why the **** is that only Jays names are leaking? I mean other than Thole (which umm, who ****ing cares), has there any other name been thrown around there, significant or insignificant wise. Dammit AA, started dropping names like Harvey and Wheeler as that other significant piece coming back.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

So looking at the stuff through MLBTR and I'm not understanding why the **** is that only Jays names are leaking? I mean other than Thole (which umm, who ****ing cares), has there any other name been thrown around there, significant or insignificant wise. Dammit AA, started dropping names like Harvey and Wheeler as that other significant piece coming back.

The more I think about it the more I don't get it. You would think AA and his great staff would not even touch that trade. It was widely reported that TDA was a non starter at the winter meetings but now they will get Syndergaard too? How does something change that much? it doesnt make any sense.

 

[William Hylander]

There's no need to put all your eggs in one basket, especially a 38 year old basket who has only pitched above average for 2 years with a pitch that is historically unreliable.

Syndergaard himself could provide more value in the long term. I hope that AA didn't surround himself with yes men, so that people will tell him to look in another direction.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

It honestly seems like everyone is regurgitating the same report from the same person who could be incorrect or dropping names for some strategic reason.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

If TDA and Syndergaard both go Dickey will come with an extension. He was rumored to want a 2 year extension.

TDA + is enough for Dickey with extension.

Geez, I can't even remember us getting a player of TDA caliber when we traded Halladay (yes, we did get TDA in the deal but he wasn't anywhere near the prospect as he is now nor was anywhere near major league ready) and Halladay had a much much better track record + team friendly extension + you knew he would compete for CY Young every year and you were still getting him through his prime years.

Does anyone truly believe Dickey hasn't peaked yet with his CY Young season and will continue to contend for CY Young for sure for the next 2-3 years? I mean he could but not a sure thing like Halladay was. I can't remember all the times Cliff Lee, the CY Young winner who got traded multiple times fetched anywhere near this package. Or CC. Or just recently traded Grienke (he didn't even get guys that were this good when he got traded to Brewers!!!!). Ugh. This is mind blowing stupid if we actually do this.

 

[teeks643]

If we are in fact trading both our top two prospects in d'Arnaud and Syndergaard why not go after a guy like King Felix instead?

 

[dredeye]

Would be awful to include Syndergaard to get either of those two. Both of them are far away and I don't think either will be all that great.

Seeing as the top two are likely out of the question I'm trying to figure out who might fit

 

[Sokil]

If we are in fact trading both our top two prospects in d'Arnaud and Syndergaard why not go after a guy like King Felix instead?

now that im playing with that neutralized pitching stats too, Felix's numbers the last 2 years would be pretty terrible in Toronto / the ALE

 

[dredeye]

I think this might be one of those deals that is better to not make.

That's how I feel about it. Hopefully, sleeping on may change AA's mind

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

I guess Bet365 is confident that the deal will get done--- our odds moved from 12/1 to win the WS to 8.5/1---tied for best in the MLB and .5 better than the Angles

 

[Sokil]

On a players page, press the blue tab that says "More stats". Scroll down to "Neutralized Pitching". Then right under the red banner it has a "change to" wording. Go across the drop down menu that says "Year (R/G)" and go from there. Kills a couple of hours easily heh.

Dickey
15-9 3.29 ERA 219 IP, 215 K, 1.192 WHIP.

Price would be 13-8 3.33 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 186 K

His 'neutralized' numbers are even better than Matt Cain's...

 

[dredeye]

nevermind

 

[Kurtz]

TDA + is enough for Dickey with extension.

Geez, I can't even remember us getting a player of TDA caliber when we traded Halladay (yes, we did get TDA in the deal but he wasn't anywhere near the prospect as he is now nor was anywhere near major league ready) and Halladay had a much much better track record + team friendly extension + you knew he would compete for CY Young every year and you were still getting him through his prime years.

I think Drabek was ranked as 15-20th prospect in baseball when we made that deal, which is where D'arnaud is ranked now.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

I think Drabek was ranked as 15-20th prospect in baseball when we made that deal, which is where D'arnaud is ranked now.

He was ranked 25th in his pre 2010 before he got traded by BBA. Seems closer to Syndergaard than d'Arnaud who is the best catching prospect in the minors.

 

[canucksfan]

He was ranked 25th in his pre 2010 before he got traded by BBA. Seems closer to Syndergaard than d'Arnaud who is the best catching prospect in the minors.

Could be wrong but really good catching prospects are harder to come by than really good pitching prospects.

 

[thecatch22]

Way too much Dickey and average prospects in return. I suspect there is more than this than being reported.

 

[Revolt]

Screw the NHL lockout, can't wait for the MLB season to start.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Could be wrong but really good catching prospects are harder to come by than really good pitching prospects.

They are. Few catchers in baseball are good and its nearly impossible to find a McCann/Molina/Posey etc... at least good/great pitchers become available more frequently.

 

[GAMO1992]

Just a casual Blue Jays fan chiming in here, been following these threads for a bit.

There is something that has been bugging me about this....disregarding this Dickey trade, there are a quite few questions marks going in to next season. Yes, we look good, on paper, but there are so many things that need to happen in order for us to be successful. Like, will JJ and/or Morrow stay healthy long enough this season? How will Reyes do on the turf?

What I'm trying to get at is, why not wait and see what we have in our team now? Why not wait to see how the team does up to a certain point, then re-evaluate what our needs are later? Why not wait to see how TDA does after his surgery, and how our new arms do, and new bats do as well, before we throw all our chips in one hand?
I'm just trying to think about it from a logical G.M.'s position, and as it stands, wouldn't TDA's value be lower a bit right now due to him coming off of surgery? If so, then why are we going to sell him low, then buy Dickey high? I'm the type of guy that wouldn't be against trading TDA if it were for the right Pricesarcasm:?), but trading him and Noah, for what could be one year of Dickey, is not good value at all, even if it is just speculation at this point.
I say again, why not wait, and see what we got first instead of getting greedy? I wouldn't mind at all going into Spring training with the rotation we have now..and if one needs to be added later, go trade..
again just a casual fan, hoping that AA says "no" for that 'speculated deal', not good value for what we are giving up IMO.

 

[TheKule]

There is no way, no way, that AA trades both Syndergaard and D'arnaud for Dickey. A rumour mongering NY Post (rag) writer is not a source we should be paying any attention to. Everyone needs to calm down.

This is far worse than Darvish.

 

[danishh]

so, remember a month ago when JPA was talking about how he wasnt going anywhere and if only he could tell us what he knew?

is it possible that going into this offseason, the jays had already decided to keep JPA and trade TDA for whatever they could get?

 

[Eyedea]

so, remember a month ago when JPA was talking about how he wasnt going anywhere and if only he could tell us what he knew?

is it possible that going into this offseason, the jays had already decided to keep JPA and trade TDA for whatever they could get?

For "whatever they could get" doesn't seem logical. I'm sure AA was (maybe still is) fine with going into the season with JPA as the starter and TDA seasoning in the minors until fully ready.