Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[Dwight K Schrute]

if he makes it as a position player it'll be at 3rd or 1st. I really don't see him working out in the OF. especially on the carpet. The guy is really slow. I think he's a future DH to be honest.

If he can be a 1b thats great because the OF and 3b are filled for the next few seasons at least.

 

[Isles Junkie]

So let's make this clear, both d'Arnaud (#11) and Syndergaard (#83) (along with Buck plus prospect) are rumoured to being packaged for Dickey, Thole and a prospect.

Mets wanted Olt (#16) and Buckel (#88) for Dickey and the Rangers declined.

I think Flores has to be the Mets prospect, no idea who we'd put in.

Heyman (I think?) made a tweet that the Mets would be interested in Barnes. But frankly the deal seems too good to be true for the mets, so I don't see how adding a closer prospect balances out the deal. if anything it tips it way overboard. but then again, it could have just been heyman saying the mets were interested & that's all there is.

I don't think the Jays would be throwing in another player unless the mets are dealing Harvey or Wheeler. In which case the deal makes no sense for the mets.

I just wish this would all be over already.

 

[Amadeus]

How about we just sign Shawn Marcum, for LESS money than Dickey makes, and in doing so, get a proven #3 calibre AL East starter, AND keep our two best prospects.

Wouldn't that make the most sense??

Dickey is better than Marcum and I feel the reason this move is being made is because one of Johnson or Buerhle (most likely Buerhle) are not going to be with us much longer.

Dickey gives us an ace caliber pitcher and the flexibility to move one of the pitchers mentioned above and re-stock our farm.

 

[p.l.f.]

for those upset, think of it like this:

-we give up d'arnaud and syndegaard
but we have JPA to catch next 3-5yrs and alot of good pitchers same age group as syndergaard, plus hutchinson drabek coming back in a yr+

-halladay costed philly 3 top prospects
-shields costed kc 1 top prospect
-dickey costs 2 top prospects - fair in comparison

-you cant compare it with the marlins deal
-that was a cash dump by marlins - we added over 30 mil.
-dickey has an attractive 5 mil for 1 yr

-several teams would like and could easily afford dickey
-making the auction for dickey cost more than normal
-only the jays are in a position apparently to offer not 1 but 2 top prospects
-other's likely could only offer 1 top prospect, theyre not as deep in propects as we are

now, look at what we'll have possibly for the next 3 yrs:

reyes
cabrera/bonifacio
bautista
encarnacion
lind
lawrie
arencebia
rasmus/gose
izturis

dickey
johnson
buehrle
morrow
romero

janssen
santos
delabar
loup
rogers
lincoln
happ

 

[Future]

Mets are either using mind control on AA, or Mets guys are just spewing bs.

First it was rumored Gose and JPA for Dickey. Then it was D'Arnaud for Dickey + a significant piece. Now it's TDA and Noah for Dickey and pretty much junk.

Wtf!

 

[darko]

if he makes it as a position player it'll be at 3rd or 1st. I really don't see him working out in the OF. especially on the carpet. The guy is really slow. I think he's a future DH to be honest.

Agree. Cant see Flores in the outfield, he's just too slow.

He'd be a well below average defender at 3B. Strong arm but poor range.

1B/DH is his future.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Dickey is better than Marcum and I feel the reason this move is being made is because one of Johnson or Buerhle (most likely Buerhle) are not going to be with us much longer.

Dickey gives us an ace caliber pitcher and the flexibility to move one of the pitchers mentioned above and re-stock our farm.

Dickey was an Ace Calibre pitcher LAST YEAR.

Didn't Esteban Loaiza win the Cy Young once? (or got close, whatever). He is 38 years old. He is a good pitcher yes, he would help our team, yes. But trading our two best prospects doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But what do I know. AA is the only one truly in the know.

 

[mikebel111*]

I am looking at analysis of flores, potential to hit over .280, little power, average speed,

if its him
do you do the deal
we get, dickey, thole, flores

mets get, TDA, synder, buck, I think it's jenkens, or maguire, how do we spell his name, that's the prospect they get IMO

adding flores maybe lessens the damage
but I still think we need to be getting atleast wheeler, or harvey
IF its not flores,
than plz god, this deal breaks down

 

[darko]

-halladay costed philly 3 top prospects
-shields costed kc 1 top prospect
-dickey costs 2 top prospects - fair in comparison

And another pretty good prospect in Oddorizzi who has middle of the rotation upside and is close to major league ready. Odorizzi is a top-50 prospect.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Yep it seems like it will be Flores.

Can we convert him into a 1B?

Why? He loses a lot of his value being converted. If Jays get him, they have to hope he sticks at 2B or 3B (IIRC old scouting reports said he could but I haven't read recent ones on him). 3rd base seems reasonable given his body type but he would be blocked at 3rd. It doesn't seem like AA MO to get a player that won't provide positional value. The list is probably short on the corner OF/1st baseman he gas traded for or drafted.

He would be a good get if you think he sticks at 3rd or 2nd.

 

[p.l.f.]

And another pretty good prospect in Oddorizzi who has middle of the rotation upside and is close to major league ready. Odorizzi is a top-50 prospect.

true

 

[darko]

I am looking at analysis of flores, how can you not call him an elite prospect, potential to hit over .280, little power, good speed

if its him
do you do the deal
we get, dickey, thole, flores

mets get, TDA, synder, buck, I think it's jenkens, or maguire, how do we spell his name, that's the prospect they get IMO

adding flores maybe lessens the damage
but I still think we need to be getting atleast wheeler, or harvey
IF its not flores,
than plz god, this deal breaks down

You have Flores mixed up with someone else. Flores has power, projects as a 25-30 HR guy but is slow as ****. He also doesnt really have a position right now.

 

[mikebel111*]

You have Flores mixed up with someone else. Flores has power, projects as a 25-30 HR guy but is slow as ****. He also doesnt really have a position right now.

what's his full name

my bad lol

 

[Amadeus]

Dickey was an Ace Calibre pitcher LAST YEAR.

Didn't Esteban Loaiza win the Cy Young once? (or got close, whatever). He is 38 years old. He is a good pitcher yes, he would help our team, yes. But trading our two best prospects doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But what do I know. AA is the only one truly in the know.

I'm not justifying trading for Dickey for the package we're rumored to give up. I'm trying to compare Dickey and Marcum here as potential acquisition. My stance on Dickey is trade for him only if we're not giving up both D'Arnaud and Syndergaard.

I have a huge feeling that Buerhle in particular might not be here much longer. I see Texas as a potential fit with Mike Olt or Cody Buckel coming back.

 

[darko]

what's his full name

my bad lol

Wilmer Flores.

 

[mikebel111*]

Wilmer Flores.

nevermind I got it now

regardless, still a good prospect

worth giving up TDA and Synder

not sure

 

[darko]

I have a huge feeling that Buerhle in particular might not be here much longer. I see Texas as a potential fit with Mike Olt or Cody Buckel coming back.

You wont get Olt for Buehrle. Buehrle is owed tons of money and Daniels is no Loria.

 

[cyris]

Dickey was an Ace Calibre pitcher LAST YEAR.

Didn't Esteban Loaiza win the Cy Young once? (or got close, whatever). He is 38 years old. He is a good pitcher yes, he would help our team, yes. But trading our two best prospects doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But what do I know. AA is the only one truly in the know.

He was the runner up to Doc.

On a side note we traded top prospect Michael Young for Loaiza later on. That trade didn't work out so well.

 

[dredeye]

I'm hoping it's Nimmo or Cecchini although I don't think the later is able to be traded yet

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

He was the runner up to Doc.

On a side note we traded top prospect Michael Young for Loaiza later on. That trade didn't work out so well.

don't remind me of that trade

one of the all-time gaffes

 

[darko]

I'm hoping it's Nimmo or Cecchini although I don't think the later is able to be traded yet

Yup Cechini would have to be a PTBNL.

 

[p.l.f.]

who in the rotation would sit on the off days, romero ? LOL
i guess morrow
or everyone gets 5 days rest

 

[dredeye]

Yup Cechini would have to be a PTBNL.

that's what I figured. That sucks because I don't think that'll be the case.

 

[cyris]

don't remind me of that trade

one of the all-time gaffes

But established players are always better than prospects........

 

[Nasty Nazem]

I'm hoping it's Nimmo or Cecchini although I don't think the later is able to be traded yet

Would be awful to include Syndergaard to get either of those two. Both of them are far away and I don't think either will be all that great.