Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)

[Isles Junkie]

If I had to take a guess I'd say that Wilmer Flores is that "non elite" prospect that would go back to the Jays in that TdA + Snydergaard deal. Frankly if Flores had a position he probably would be an elite prospect. He certainly can hit.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Your not going to get a CY winner for nothing, their is a price. Unfortunately the Mets have set the price/

and you can always say no to that price.

If you went into a store and say a loaf of bread on sale for 20 bucks. Do you buy it?

 

[Puckstuff]

Your not going to get a CY winner for nothing, their is a price. Unfortunately the Mets have set the price/

No team in their right mind would give up such a package... The equivalent of D'arnaud + Syndergard from Texas would be something similar to Andrus and Olt. Insane... No team would pay that, I can't believe people actually are worried AA would give up our two best prospects with very high value for a 38 y/o

 

[Apollo Leaf]

There is no way the Bluejays are giving up d'Arnaud & Syndergaard for Dickey and minor leaguers, thats ridiculous for a 38 year old. I think Jays fans should calm down until a deal is done and confirmed. If the Jays are giving up that much then there must be another significant piece going the Jays way. Thats the only way I see it.

 

[DPyro]

Mets fans seem to think they are getting a steal. One way or the other fans will be disappointed.

 

[Future]

There is no way the Bluejays are giving up d'Arnaud & Syndergaard for Dickey and minor leaguers, thats ridiculous for a 38 year old. I think Jays fans should calm down until a deal is done and confirmed. If the Jays are giving up that much then there must be another significant piece going the Jays way. Thats the only way I see it.

At the very very very least I'm hoping for Ike Davis. Even then if we traded TDA and Noah, I'll be pissed. What ever happened to when it was rumored to be Gose and JPA?

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Does anyone else remember the panic when we traded Brett Wallace for Gose? Nobody knew who goes was... he was like Hou's 9th best prospect--- Sometimes you just have to trust AA knows best.

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

There is no way the Bluejays are giving up d'Arnaud & Syndergaard for Dickey and minor leaguers, thats ridiculous for a 38 year old. I think Jays fans should calm down until a deal is done and confirmed. If the Jays are giving up that much then there must be another significant piece going the Jays way. Thats the only way I see it.

This is how I feel about the situation. The Mets are probably leaking this crap to get some team to up their offer IMHO.

 

[Kb21]

i'll believe it when i see it. this does not sound like the type of trade AA would do unless we were getting someone like ike davis or one of their top 3 prospects back.

also how often has a trade AA was completing been leaked before it has been finalized, i understand the NY media and such but i'm sure AA would tell the mets to keep it under wraps else the deal would be off.

in other news, MLBTR reports the yankees contacted troy glaus about coming out of retirement to play for them

 

[Canada4Gold]

Does anyone else remember the panic when we traded Brett Wallace for Gose? Nobody knew who goes was... he was like Hou's 9th best prospect--- Sometimes you just have to trust AA knows best.

I didn't mind that at all, Gose was the one who AA was trying to get from the Phillies in the Halladay deal but the Phillies wouldn't go that. They got Taylor and then swapped him immediately for Wallace. So I wasn't upset at all when we got Gose because that's who AA wanted instead of Wallace in the first place.

I think, unless I'm misremembering

 

[Eyedea]

No team in their right mind would give up such a package... The equivalent of D'arnaud + Syndergard from Texas would be something similar to Andrus and Olt. Insane... No team would pay that, I can't believe people actually are worried AA would give up our two best prospects with very high value for a 38 y/o

Andrus > d'Arnaud > Olt > Syndergaard

how is it equivalent to that?

 

[Amadeus]

I didn't mind that at all, Gose was the one who AA was trying to get from the Phillies in the Halladay deal but the Phillies wouldn't go that. They got Taylor and then swapped him immediately for Wallace. So I wasn't upset at all when we got Gose because that's who AA wanted instead of Wallace in the first place.

I think, unless I'm misremembering

I've heard the same thing but it makes you really think what the Phillies were thinking. They give up Gose for a much lesser pitcher in Oswalt but didn't give him up for Doc - a far superior pitcher.

I guess it had to do with the complete package that Toronto was asking.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

I didn't mind that at all, Gose was the one who AA was trying to get from the Phillies in the Halladay deal but the Phillies wouldn't go that. They got Taylor and then swapped him immediately for Wallace. So I wasn't upset at all when we got Gose because that's who AA wanted instead of Wallace in the first place.

I think, unless I'm misremembering

Gose was never mentioned as the Halladay talks were going on--- he was internally but it was never known he was coveted until after the trade. You may be thinking of Dominic Brown who was the one they apparently wanted at the time but settled for taylor.

Trust me-- most people were shocked when we got Gose for Wallace.

 

[Future]

Must be frustrating for AA trying to get a deal done and have a non-stop leak of information and have it drawn out for a long time.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

If I had to take a guess I'd say that Wilmer Flores is that "non elite" prospect that would go back to the Jays in that TdA + Snydergaard deal. Frankly if Flores had a position he probably would be an elite prospect. He certainly can hit.

He looks like he could be a 1b? maybe a platoon guy with lind or whomever down the road?

 

[Newbi]

Gose was never mentioned as the Halladay talks were going on--- he was internally but it was never known he was coveted until after the trade. You may be thinking of Dominic Brown who was the one they apparently wanted at the time but settled for taylor.

Trust me-- most people were shocked when we got Gose for Wallace.

I think part of the "shock" was also because Wallace was so hyped up as the "1B of the future" when we had like overbay back then i think, who i really hated the last 2 seasons he was a jay.. then boom all of a sudden there comes Gose.

hows Dominic Brown doing btw?

 

[Amadeus]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
dickey said amenable to extension with toronto. thats a change from winter meetings time. his 26M/2 request is reasonable.

Latest from Heyman.

Dickey is great and adding him will improve us even more so than we did post Marlins trade but I'm really not liking giving up both D'Arnaud and Sydergaard.

 

[Eyedea]

So let's make this clear, both d'Arnaud (#11) and Syndergaard (#83) (along with Buck plus prospect) are rumoured to being packaged for Dickey, Thole and a prospect.

Mets wanted Olt (#16) and Buckel (#88) for Dickey and the Rangers declined.

I think Flores has to be the Mets prospect, no idea who we'd put in.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

This is how I feel about the situation. The Mets are probably leaking this crap to get some team to up their offer IMHO.

Thats insane--- that would only scare teams off. Noone can match that

 

[weems]

Yep it seems like it will be Flores.

Can we convert him into a 1B?

 

[The Nemesis]

I think part of the "shock" was also because Wallace was so hyped up as the "1B of the future" when we had like overbay back then i think, who i really hated the last 2 seasons he was a jay.. then boom all of a sudden there comes Gose.

hows Dominic Brown doing btw?

No he wasn't. Wallace came up as a 3B with serious questions about whether he could handle the position (which proved justified) and would be switched to 1st, at which point his value dropped because he didn't have prototypical 1B power and there were questions about whether or not he would be a good enough contact hitter to overcome that and create 1B value.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

How about we just sign Shawn Marcum, for LESS money than Dickey makes, and in doing so, get a proven #3 calibre AL East starter, AND keep our two best prospects.

Wouldn't that make the most sense??

 

[Isles Junkie]

He looks like he could be a 1b? maybe a platoon guy with lind or whomever down the road?

if he makes it as a position player it'll be at 3rd or 1st. I really don't see him working out in the OF. especially on the carpet. The guy is really slow. I think he's a future DH to be honest.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

So let's make this clear, both d'Arnaud (#11) and Syndergaard (#83) (along with Buck plus prospect) are rumoured to being packaged for Dickey, Thole and a prospect.

Mets wanted Olt (#16) and Buckel (#88) for Dickey and the Rangers declined.

I think Flores has to be the Mets prospect, no idea who we'd put in.

Syndergaard is a much higher prospect than #83 now... I'm assuming those are from beginning of the season because he is a consensus top 50 prospect and arguably our best pitching prospect. If he has another year like he did in Lansing, you're looking at a top 25 prospect.

This trade looks awful so far. I'll give AA benefit of the doubt until its official because he has been great but I hate what the trade looks like so far.

 

[Hymanbrah]

It's ridiculous. I hope this does not happen.

It better not, what a terrible deal for us if true. I wouldn't trade either of them, let alone both.