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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 11th: BJ's like Dickey

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Kb21 said:
you do understand he is 38 right. even roy halladay is looking more and more human as he ages. sure hes a knuckleballer but how can anyone say he will stay good when there has never been any evidence of any pitcher pitching well, past their 30's.
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There hasn't been any evidence of a 37 year old knuckleball pitcher winning the Cy Young award winner either.

I think people here are confusing "age" and "suffering from a legitimate injury." I don't think age is going to result in Dickey exploding in the next year or two.
 
let's all be perfectly honest right now

if someone came to this board in november, before all the talks and said, "hey guys, how about we trade Travis D'Arnaud for R.A. Dickey" I think some of you (and maybe me too, although I am not proficient with regards to advanced stats) would have laughed, gone to great lengths to prove how bad of an idea that was, and pulled up a lot of stats to show that Dickey was "declining" or spouting off about the volatility of an older players arm.

the fact that we are all trying to basically rationalize the trade right now shows how differently Alex Anthopolous views the team compared to the posters at HFBoards
 
Stats01 said:
I really don't understand why the Mets aren't allowing the Jays to talk to his people.
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Because if they can get a contract worked out before the trade it increases his value. Going off of what's being said TDA with an extension and likely JPA without one.
 
The Amazing Ralph said:
let's all be perfectly honest right now

if someone came to this board in november, before all the talks and said, "hey guys, how about we trade Travis D'Arnaud for R.A. Dickey" I think some of you (and maybe me too, although I am not proficient with regards to advanced stats) would have laughed, gone to great lengths to prove how bad of an idea that was, and pulled up a lot of stats to show that Dickey was "declining" or spouting off about the volatility of an older players arm.

the fact that we are all trying to basically rationalize the trade right now shows how differently Alex Anthopolous views the team compared to the posters at HFBoards
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I would have laughed too but the climate of this current team is much different after the Miami trade and the Melky signing. We went from mediocre also ran to one of the very best teams on paper and even Vegas agreed. I really dont like the optics of the trade and think we'll prolly lose it longterm but now this team is frigging scary and thats exciting.
 
The Amazing Ralph said:
let's all be perfectly honest right now

if someone came to this board in november, before all the talks and said, "hey guys, how about we trade Travis D'Arnaud for R.A. Dickey" I think some of you (and maybe me too, although I am not proficient with regards to advanced stats) would have laughed, gone to great lengths to prove how bad of an idea that was, and pulled up a lot of stats to show that Dickey was "declining" or spouting off about the volatility of an older players arm.

the fact that we are all trying to basically rationalize the trade right now shows how differently Alex Anthopolous views the team compared to the posters at HFBoards
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If it was Dickey for D'Arnaud without the huge Marlins trade then my thinking would be different, but with that blockbuster, getting Dickey to add to our already stacked rotation really puts a different perspective on it. And puts a different perspective on what the Jays are doing. You can see what Alex is trying to do.
 
The Amazing Ralph said:
let's all be perfectly honest right now

if someone came to this board in november, before all the talks and said, "hey guys, how about we trade Travis D'Arnaud for R.A. Dickey" I think some of you (and maybe me too, although I am not proficient with regards to advanced stats) would have laughed, gone to great lengths to prove how bad of an idea that was, and pulled up a lot of stats to show that Dickey was "declining" or spouting off about the volatility of an older players arm.

the fact that we are all trying to basically rationalize the trade right now shows how differently Alex Anthopolous views the team compared to the posters at HFBoards
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It is no different then if you were to tease a child with the thought of getting a new toy he previously knew you would not get him. Once you plant the idea that he might be able to get it, he feels anything is worth getting it now.
 
The Drunken Crunker said:
That was the impression I was under as well. I had never heard any questions about his defense until this.
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D'Arnaud was always thought of a prospect with a quick bat that could develop very well offensively and had the potential for better than average defence. He was recognized for his skills with the bat much earlier than his receiving skills.
 
I guess when it comes right down to it, a lot of people here don't trust AA to judge major league talent. After all, if AA trades D'Arnaud, then he is effectively saying that JPA is good enough to catch for a contending Jays team. So, those of you who have been questioning trading D'Arnaud because of JPA's lack of ability, do you have an explanation for why AA has faith in JPA? Is it a blind spot? Is he bad at judging major league ability? Something else?
 
Also FWIW Dickey threw two one-hitters against AL East teams last season. In Tampa Bay and against the Orioles.
 
well if it makes anyone feel better this is suppose to be a very good draft class for catchers so maybe we take one in the 2nd round. I'd rather not use our first on the one projected in the 13 isn slot. I'd rather not use our 1st on a catcher.
 
Trading for the regining NL CY Young award winner and dominant knuckleballer who would give us the best rotation in the majors for an unproven prospect that can be replaced....wow that is a deal you have to make. This is extremely exciting. Get er done AA, you are a beast of a GM.
 
rojac said:
I guess when it comes right down to it, a lot of people here don't trust AA to judge major league talent. After all, if AA trades D'Arnaud, then he is effectively saying that JPA is good enough to catch for a contending Jays team. So, those of you who have been questioning trading D'Arnaud because of JPA's lack of ability, do you have an explanation for why AA has faith in JPA? Is it a blind spot? Is he bad at judging major league ability? Something else?
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Or Maybe AA feels the upgrade from Happ to Dickey is greater than the upgrade of JPA/Buck to D'Arnaud.

This doesnt even take into the account that Happ now moves into the bullpen bolstering another part of the major league roster and plugging a hole created by a possibly departing Oliver.
 
rojac said:
I guess when it comes right down to it, a lot of people here don't trust AA to judge major league talent. After all, if AA trades D'Arnaud, then he is effectively saying that JPA is good enough to catch for a contending Jays team. So, those of you who have been questioning trading D'Arnaud because of JPA's lack of ability, do you have an explanation for why AA has faith in JPA? Is it a blind spot? Is he bad at judging major league ability? Something else?
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The Mets want the better player with more years of control and we want their cy young winning knuckleballer. I have no idea what your talking about in regards to AA and a lack of faith from fans.
 
superhakan said:
Or Maybe AA feels the upgrade from Happ to Dickey is greater than the upgrade of JPA/Buck to D'Arnaud.

This doesnt even take into the account that Happ now moves into the bullpen bolstering another part of the major league roster and plugging a hole created by a possibly departing Oliver.
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Not only that, but getting Dickey for D'Arnaud improves us at two positiosn already.

It improves our rotation and it also improves our bullpen by having Haap slide down and bump one of the guys under him (Cecil).

And we were going into the season with Arencibia starting anyway, so technically we upgrade two positions without damaging our major league roster whatsoever.
 
Spezza19 said:
Trading for the regining NL CY Young award winner and dominant knuckleballer who would give us the best rotation in the majors for an unproven prospect that can be replaced....wow that is a deal you have to make. This is extremely exciting. Get er done AA, you are a beast of a GM.
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Not so sure the jays would have the best rotation in the majors.
Still too many questions.

The Phillies, Dodgers, and Giants may all still be better. Probably missing a team or 2 as well.
 
The Amazing Ralph said:
the fact that we are all trying to basically rationalize the trade right now shows how differently Alex Anthopolous views the team compared to the posters at HFBoards
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don't speak for all of us, if someone asked me this back during the season I'd not give a crap about TDA. I only started caring for him now that he's legit getting closer to a realistic shot in the majors; mostly over the last 2 months.

Also, it goes without saying, Dickey + last years roster is different than Dickey + WS caliber roster where he's the final piece.
 
Lol, I'd still rather go for Jackson. Maybe even flip Arencibia for Holland, if we need another pitcher or simply trade Buck/Lind for anything we can get.
 
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