Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 11th: BJ's like Dickey

[weems]

Losing d'Arnaud sucks but for some weird reason im perfectly fine with it.

Maybe the Toronto sports scene has taken such a toll on me that its friggin exciting to have a bonifide WS contender.

 

[Suntouchable13]

gose/arencibia package was rejected

Funny thing is that those 2 have both reached the majors and did not show anything spectacular while TDA has not played a game in the bigs yet and is valued more than those 2 guys. Go figure.

 

[Stats01]

Losing d'Arnaud sucks but for some weird reason im perfectly fine with it.

Maybe the Toronto sports scene has taken such a toll on me that its friggin exciting to have a bonifide WS contender.

Yeah I'm in the same boat, I love D'Arnaud as a prospect but I'm sooo sick of the status quo in this city. I'm glad at least one team is going for it. I want a winner so bad! If we have to give up D'Arnaud to get Dickey I'm all for it. I want playoff baseball and I want a WS.

 

[weems]

Funny thing is that those 2 have both reached the majors and did not show anything spectacular while TDA has not played a game in the bigs yet and is valued more than those 2 guys. Go figure.

It's not hard to understand really.
Who would you value more.....Morgan Rielly or Luke Schenn?

 

[TootooTrain]

Who cares? If I'm AA I'm thinking Dickey AND Davis. It would turn Rasmus from a #5 hitter to a #7 hitter. That's a massive upgrade.

The Mets have a high end commodity but it's depreciating. Unless the Mets will cave into Dickey's demand for 2/26 they are in the hole trying to make the most of him in a trade.

Yes replacing Happ with Dickey is big but turning Lind into I. Davis would be big.

Right now, pitching is over priced. Hitting is selling low compared to the pitching market.

Oh, you've got me all wrong. I'm not 'in love' with Ike Davis, but 1st base is weak in the organization. He's cheap, controllable, and has enough power. I was just going by what was said in the tweet about looking to add a 'prospect'.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Oh, you've got me all wrong. I'm not 'in love' with Ike Davis, but 1st base is weak in the organization. He's cheap, controllable, and has enough power. I was just going by what was said in the tweet about looking to add a 'prospect'.

Oh agreed. It sounds like TDA+ for Dickey + Prospect.

 

[weems]

Now that were apparently keeping Gose.
If Rasmus has a good start to the season and Gose is ripping up AAA, I would look to trade Rasmus for a good package of prospects to help replenish the system and let Gose take over in CF.

 

[King Mapes]

the draft pick doesn't really help us win now

the miami trade becomes a LOT worse if we don't resign Johnson. It instantly goes from a "good trade" to a "bad trade" imo

Unless we win it all. Then they all become amazing moves

 

[Sokil]

If they are going to trade a TDA, couldn't they have used him to fetch a younger arguably better pitcher than Dickey?

Younger better? He's the best pitcher in the national league for crying out loud and in his prime

 

[Suntouchable13]

It's not hard to understand really.
Who would you value more.....Morgan Rielly or Luke Schenn?

It's like it is a sure thing that TDA is going to have a much bigger impact right away, or at all, in the MLB than JP or Gose. TDA is very much an unknown. When you reach the majors and don't show a lot right away, does that mean that your potential immediately goes away? Suddenly Gose is not valued highly because he struggled in his callup this season? A callup that was not even supposed to happen, only happened because of the high number of injuries.

 

[p.l.f.]

really like gose
glad we're keeping him

 

[Pi]

Younger better? He's the best pitcher I'm the national leave for crying out loud and in his prime

Spellchecker on phone?

I hate when that happens.

 

[Animal]

d'arnaud is always a health concern, especially as a catcher

 

[Felstead]

Oh agreed. It sounds like TDA+ for Dickey + Prospect.

I have a feeling AA is trying to add a throw in with D'arnaud to get Dickey and Wheeler.

Wheeler is actually a veryyy interesting prospect.

 

[weems]

It's like it is a sure thing that TDA is going to have a much bigger impact right away, or at all, in the MLB than JP or Gose. TDA is very much an unknown.

And JP is a known and known to be not all that good.
I dont see whats so hard about a top ranked prospect being valued more then a average MLB player. Baseball is different then any sport in how much times scouts get to watch of these prospects in the minors seeing they spend like 3-4 years or more down there. I'm sure they have a pretty good idea of what there getting with d'Arnaud.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

It's like it is a sure thing that TDA is going to have a much bigger impact right away, or at all, in the MLB than JP or Gose. TDA is very much an unknown.

Unknown? Maybe if this was a 20 year old kid in A ball. He is major league ready and projects to be a much better and complete player than JP.

 

[weems]

I have a feeling AA is trying to add a throw in with D'arnaud to get Dickey and Wheeler.

Wheeler is actually a veryyy interesting prospect.

Mets are rebuilding and Wheeler is a better prospect then d'Arnaud.

Why would they deal him?

 

[Neil Hamburger]

Imagine facing our rotation in the playoffs if we got Dickey.

Dickey, JJ, Buehrle, Morrow, Romero

That's tough to beat; especially considering some of the bats we have.

 

[weems]

If Romero bounces back our rotation will be scary

 

[Drunken Crunker]

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN

Got text from scout saying Mets shouldve pushed for Gose. Scout doesn't like D'Arnaud's defense at all. Just 1 opinion, but an informed one.

 

[Sokil]

Spellchecker on phone?

I hate when that happens.

Swipe typing on android...

 

[Epictetus]

Imagine facing our rotation in the playoffs if we got Dickey.

Dickey, JJ, Buehrle, Morrow, Romero

That's tough to beat; especially considering some of the bats we have.

Having 5 good starting pitchers is pretty meaningless when it comes to the post-season.

In hockey, I would compare this to trading lets say, Morgan Rielly for Martin St. Louis. Sure, St. Louis will potentially help you a lot in the short term, but Rielly projects to be a long term great player.

This is a good comparison but it is a little misleading in the sense that Toronto is arguably not close to the playoffs.

What about instead of Rielly, Doug Hamilton. So Doug Hamilton for Martin St.Louis. Does that change anything?

 

[Anthrax442]

Not a prospect. Will be entering his 4th year in the bigs.

Semantics.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

In hockey, I would compare this to trading lets say, Morgan Rielly for Martin St. Louis. Sure, St. Louis will potentially help you a lot in the short term, but Rielly projects to be a long term great player.

 

[Leafssss]

Mets are rebuilding and Wheeler is a better prospect then d'Arnaud.

Why would they deal him?

I don't think any of us can really talk about prospect value anymore considering what happened with a great prospect like Bauer recently. GMs have different perspectives and evaluations so what they see may be completely opposite of what we see.