Right, but I would consider a 40+ and 3 40 FV prospects an absolutely awful starting point for a top ten player in the league signed for 2 years at a total of $25 million. I think it's about as far away from a reasonable offer as what I posted.
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Right, but I would consider a 40+ and 3 40 FV prospects an absolutely awful starting point for a top ten player in the league signed for 2 years at a total of $25 million. I think it's about as far away from a reasonable offer as what I posted.
For Carrasco and Lindor, Cleveland got Gimenez (50), Wolf (40+), Greene (40) and Rosario (was in MLB but not ever highly rated)
Edit: Keep in mind that the names themselves are ridiculous because they are so far off of what Cleveland is looking for in near-MLB
Yeah and maybe it's just a preference thing, but I think if an offer has all the secondary pieces but not the main piece then it's not at all close (unless it's a bunch of similarly valuable pieces, of course, but that's not the case there, as there's a clear headliner).
Maybe I'm just higher on Ramirez than everyone else, but I think he's worth more than Lindor and Carrasco were at the time.
There's no way Cleveland accepts, but they likely don't hang up.
There are 3 guys I am hoping arent available (Moreno, Tiedemann, Martinez)
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I'm guessing the reason why they had to sign Kikuchi is because every single team asked for Moreno and/or Pearson in every trade proposal.
They signed Kikuchi because they needed a legitimate 5th starter. Stripling isn't it and Pearson has barely thrown in the past 2 years because of injuries. And what little he started last year wasn't good.
Got nothing to do with Big Nate being in proposals.
Got nothing to do with Big Nate being in proposals.
I like the kikuchi signing. Can bever have enough depth. Plus with double headers will likely need a bunch of pitchers. We all know how burnt out the pen was last year.
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Especially when Sonny Gray was essentially given away. Not that he fared well in the AL East, but.....
One aspect that the CBA failed to do is add more parity to the league. There are too many teams for different reasons that don't spend. Maybe more playoff teams could help that.
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Doesn't help them much - if at all. He counts as $13.8 million against the CBT for one more season, while Grichuk counts as $10.4 million for 2 more.
What I found interesting (but of no use to the Jays) is that they were willing to add Hassell as a sweetener to get someone to take the Hosmer contract, but couldn't get a taker. I'd love Hassell as a future CF.
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f*** parity. Every single owner has billions of dollars in their pockets. If they don't want to spend that's their own problem and they'll be left in the dust.
No way do I want baseball to turn into the shit show hockey is.
You are missing his point. That combo doesn't work because they are trying to avoid the cbt.
Prove it. You're confident enough to state that Pearson absolutely WAS NOT in any trade proposals, so clearly you must have evidence as much whereas all I said was that "I guessed" he must be, ie. a theoretical, not a claim. Given the team's pitching issues, you'd never want to trade an untouchable like that when you have ample resources elsewhere to acquire pitching...unless all anyone asked for was your untouchables.
Actually, scratch that. Seeing the rest of your reply, I'm not expecting anything that constitutes evidence.
Irrelevant to my point. I've always said they needed more pitching, it was the COST that doesn't make sense to me.
And lol at Stripling not being good enough to be a fifth starter. He's a career starting pitcher who went on a hot streak during the summer and was a large part of why the pitching rotation was able to solidify after the bullpen fell apart. He put up respectable ERAs and actually WON games for two months while putting up typical 5th starter ERAs the other months. As far as 5th starters go, that's great and more than you can hope to get out of one. Heck, it was WAY better than anything Roark did. A 5th starter than can keep his ERA below 5 while potentially going on a hot streak is great for a 5th slot.
It's unrealistic and naive to believe a team can field five sub 4 ERA pitchers in every slot ESPECIALLY the 5th slot. When it does happen, it's because of some happy accident.
It doesn't have to be like hockey but somewhat improved parity would help the sport.
As Blue Jays finally gather, front office aggressively pursuing more additions - Sportsnet.ca
All of that is borne out of motivation from “the momentum that we finished last season with,” manager Charlie Montoyo said after a relatively light day of work centred around the position players. “We're ready. We were one of the best teams in baseball (in 2021) and of course, we ran out of schedule, but that's how they feel right now. They feel good about themselves and what they did last year.”
The Blue Jays aren’t resting on those laurels.
They are said to be aggressively working the market and Kikuchi’s front-loaded guarantee – $16 million this year, $10 million in each of the next two years, per an industry source – doesn’t seem to be impeding them.
A leverage bullpen arm (they’ve looked as far up-market as Kenley Jansen) and an infielder (they’re indeed interested in a reunion with Jonathan Villar, as Hector Gomez of Z101 Digital in the Dominican Republic reported) remain the top priorities, with a left-handed hitting outfielder a nice-to-have.
Villar, who posted a .481 OPS over 22 games with the Blue Jays as a deadline addition in 2020, isn’t their only option right now. They spent a lot of time exploring trade opportunities before the lockout and with the Oakland Athletics and Cincinnati Reds just beginning their selloffs, that market is just beginning to mature.
Jose Ramirez is the dream fit but the Cleveland Guardians’ price is thought to be prohibitively high. With one agent suggesting a run on free-agent position players is imminent, the Blue Jays could find themselves at a decision point soon.
As those market forces play out, the abbreviated buildup to opening day on April 8 is due to pick up with the first full-squad workout Monday. A focal point will be getting pitchers ready.
All of that is borne out of motivation from “the momentum that we finished last season with,” manager Charlie Montoyo said after a relatively light day of work centred around the position players. “We're ready. We were one of the best teams in baseball (in 2021) and of course, we ran out of schedule, but that's how they feel right now. They feel good about themselves and what they did last year.”
The Blue Jays aren’t resting on those laurels.
They are said to be aggressively working the market and Kikuchi’s front-loaded guarantee – $16 million this year, $10 million in each of the next two years, per an industry source – doesn’t seem to be impeding them.
A leverage bullpen arm (they’ve looked as far up-market as Kenley Jansen) and an infielder (they’re indeed interested in a reunion with Jonathan Villar, as Hector Gomez of Z101 Digital in the Dominican Republic reported) remain the top priorities, with a left-handed hitting outfielder a nice-to-have.
Villar, who posted a .481 OPS over 22 games with the Blue Jays as a deadline addition in 2020, isn’t their only option right now. They spent a lot of time exploring trade opportunities before the lockout and with the Oakland Athletics and Cincinnati Reds just beginning their selloffs, that market is just beginning to mature.
Jose Ramirez is the dream fit but the Cleveland Guardians’ price is thought to be prohibitively high. With one agent suggesting a run on free-agent position players is imminent, the Blue Jays could find themselves at a decision point soon.
As those market forces play out, the abbreviated buildup to opening day on April 8 is due to pick up with the first full-squad workout Monday. A focal point will be getting pitchers ready.
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