Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season III: Ray/Semien out, Gausman in. Jays linked to everyone. Labor strife happening.

[djdev]

More like Moreno+Pearson+Gurriel. The Indians or whatever they're called now tends to demand radical overpayment for their players.

I think it's much more likely the Jays do a deal with the Athletics. They have a history with them.

did you see what they got for lindor and carrasco in their most recent trade? they got the 3rd, 9th, 10th highest ranked prospect in the mets system, and there was only one prospect in mlb top 100(84)
they arent getting moreno, who is the 8th best prospect in baseball(and rising)

 

[Kurtz]

Still think Ramirez ends up with the Jays before this off season is over once the strike is done. It's clear the Jays have been after him the last 2 seasons and with them putting a focus on getting a lefty bad, he fits that need as well being a switch hitter. The question is, what does the package look like.

Gurriel+Groshans+Kirk?

Yeah, I think that this is the deal - although maybe they're holding out for Martinez instead of Groshans.

But it makes the most sense - they desperately need a young catcher, they could use OF, and they need a replacement 3B. Their best prospects are SS/2B.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

More like Moreno+Pearson+Gurriel. The Indians or whatever they're called now tends to demand radical overpayment for their players.

I think it's much more likely the Jays do a deal with the Athletics. They have a history with them.

Prospects like Moreno just don't get traded anymore. There is more then enough in our farm system to get a potential deal done with Moreno not included. They won't get an equivalent to Moreno from any other teams interested either.

 

[Maestro84]

Still think Ramirez ends up with the Jays before this off season is over once the strike is done. It's clear the Jays have been after him the last 2 seasons and with them putting a focus on getting a lefty bad, he fits that need as well being a switch hitter. The question is, what does the package look like.

Gurriel+Groshans+Kirk?

If the Jays still can't get a 3B after this entire year, next winter is the time to go for JRam similar to how the Jays went after Lindor last year. Trade for him when he only has 1 year left on his deal and try to lock him down long-term afterwards

 

[Puckstuff]

did you see what they got for lindor and carrasco in their most recent trade? they got the 3rd, 9th, 10th highest ranked prospect in the mets system, and there was only one prospect in mlb top 100(84)
they arent getting moreno, who is the 8th best prospect in baseball(and rising)

Someone on YouTube wrote it would take Moreno, Kirk, Martinez AND Groshans for only Ramirez, lol. I said sure I’d do that... if we’re getting Bieber too.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Someone on YouTube wrote it would take Moreno, Kirk, Martinez AND Groshans for only Ramirez, lol. I said sure I’d do that... if we’re getting Bieber too.

i think because prospect watchers still think we got washed for the berrios trade. that they expect another over pay.( i dont believe it was especially after the extension) but the more the time goes by i think both swr and martin were much lower on the internal prospect list. then the top 5 most media sites had them listed

 

[TGB]

Prospects like Moreno just don't get traded anymore.

You both missed the point. The names don't matter. The point is any deal with the Indians would likely be far costlier than an equivalent trade with anyone else.

Also, in all likelihood false. I'm pretty darn sure a team with an elite prospect being blocked by a superstar player would have no trouble trading the prospect for an area of need. Jays just traded Martin, after all.

but the more the time goes by i think both swr and martin were much lower on the internal prospect list. then the top 5 most media sites had them listed

I doubt that. Martin likely became available due to the Jays infield prospect depth and SWR is a good prospect but was probably a few years off, plus a couple more years for major league level polishing; not much use for a team like the Jays in win now mode. He was exactly the kind of prospect a team would ask for in a trade for a consistent pitcher like Berrios.

You guys need to quit the kneejerk evaluations.

 

[Amadeus]

You both missed the point. The names don't matter. The point is any deal with the Indians would likely be far costlier than an equivalent trade with anyone else.

Don't understand the logic. Why would it costlier?

 

[TGB]

Don't understand the logic. Why would it costlier?

See my previous post. Also, I've yet to see any remotely compelling reason for why the Jays should drop a bunch of top tier prospects AND cheap, young high ceiling major leaguers for what is essentially a rental (right after watching two equally elite level players ditch the Jays the first chance they got). Now, if we're talking about lower tier prospects like Hidalgo or Smith, sure, no prob, but that's not what the Indians will ask for.

 

[dredeye]

See my previous post. Also, I've yet to see any remotely compelling reason for why the Jays should drop a bunch of top tier prospects AND cheap, young high ceiling major leaguers for what is essentially a rental (right after watching two equally elite level players ditch the Jays the first chance they got). Now, if we're talking about lower tier prospects like Hidalgo or Smith, sure, no prob, but that's not what the Indians will ask for.

Because two free agents left that we did not trade for and only signed to one deals we shouldn't trade for an elite player under completely different circumstances? Or did you forgot about Berrios re upping for 7 more years with the jays months after trading top prospects from our team for him when he clearly stated he wanted to test free agency before coming here? As for why the Jays should do it. He's on a very nice contract for the next two years,iIs one of the best players in the game, hits from the left side (very well) which we could really use in our lineup, our window is open now to compete for the WS while Bo and Vlad are still cheap. Lets say the deal is for Kirk, Groshans, LGJ. Groshans is replaced by Ram, Kirk is temporarily replaced by Reese until they bring up Moreno which is believed to be happening this year and LGJ can be replaced by Grichuk until something better is brought in. I think that's the basis of the trade you'd be looking at although I almost wonder if they'd prefer someone other than LGJ in the sense of more of a prospect say Pearson and cheaper. I love prospects and all the guys i listed are very good pieces. The player we'd be getting is the best piece though and by a lot.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

You both missed the point. The names don't matter. The point is any deal with the Indians would likely be far costlier than an equivalent trade with anyone else.

Also, in all likelihood false. I'm pretty darn sure a team with an elite prospect being blocked by a superstar player would have no trouble trading the prospect for an area of need. Jays just traded Martin, after all.



I doubt that. Martin likely became available due to the Jays infield prospect depth and SWR is a good prospect but was probably a few years off, plus a couple more years for major league level polishing; not much use for a team like the Jays in win now mode. He was exactly the kind of prospect a team would ask for in a trade for a consistent pitcher like Berrios.

You guys need to quit the kneejerk evaluations.

Why exactly would a trade with the Indians be more expensive then literally every other team in the league? They don't levitate above the rest of the league. Someone else pointed out the return they got for Lindor which was not even remotely close to getting a Moreno level prospect. The Indians have a ton of leverage and should be able to get a sizable haul but they also can over play their hand. If they ask teams to gut their farm system and don't get any takers all of a sudden 2 years of J-Ram turns into 1 real quick and the return they get will be cut off by default. So there is incentive for them if they decide to trade him to get it done. If the Jays can't get him without including Moreno then you move the hell on to someone like Chapman but there is absolutely a competitive offer there with us withholding our top prospect.

 

[djdev]

See my previous post. Also, I've yet to see any remotely compelling reason for why the Jays should drop a bunch of top tier prospects AND cheap, young high ceiling major leaguers for what is essentially a rental (right after watching two equally elite level players ditch the Jays the first chance they got). Now, if we're talking about lower tier prospects like Hidalgo or Smith, sure, no prob, but that's not what the Indians will ask for.

you mean the previous post that had no actual proof of what you are claiming?
like i stated already, literally the last trade they did was an allstar infielder in the exact same situation contractually for 3 prospects and a young position player, the highest ranked of said prospects was 84th in mlb...and they traded carrasco in that same deal. prove your work, man.

 

[dredeye]

you mean the previous post that had no actual proof of what you are claiming?
like i stated already, literally the last trade they did was an allstar infielder in the exact same situation contractually for 3 prospects and a young position player, the highest ranked of said prospects was 84th in mlb...and they traded carrasco in that same deal. prove your work, man.

proof is not his M/O. More of a I told you so but without ever having told anyone so

 

[djdev]

proof is not his M/O. More of a I told you so but without ever having told anyone so

aint that the truth

 

[justashadowof]

Remember Fernando Valenzuela? Remember Junior Felix? Even remember Johnny Bower? These are all pro athletes believed to be much older than their officially listed birth date. I believe there may be a candidate on the current team for the same situation. Think highly competent at a notoriously difficult position to master at a young age. Think never struggled at any minor league level. It never actually matters if the player performs.

 

[djdev]

Remember Fernando Valenzuela? Remember Junior Felix? Even remember Johnny Bower? These are all pro athletes believed to be much older than their officially listed birth date. I believe there may be a candidate on the current team for the same situation. Think highly competent at a notoriously difficult position to master at a young age. Think never struggled at any minor league level. It never actually matters if the player performs.

lol what?

 

[dredeye]

Remember Fernando Valenzuela? Remember Junior Felix? Even remember Johnny Bower? These are all pro athletes believed to be much older than their officially listed birth date. I believe there may be a candidate on the current team for the same situation. Think highly competent at a notoriously difficult position to master at a young age. Think never struggled at any minor league level. It never actually matters if the player performs.

First time I've ever seen you post in here and this is what you come in with. If you're going to post ridiculousness like this why beat around the bush and not post who you're talking about?

 

[Rude Dog]

I hope this new wave doesn't deter free agents from signing with Toronto. Why chance how our gov't will react when they can just sign in the US and not worry. Could be a factor.

 

[The Nemesis]

Remember Fernando Valenzuela? Remember Junior Felix? Even remember Johnny Bower? These are all pro athletes believed to be much older than their officially listed birth date. I believe there may be a candidate on the current team for the same situation. Think highly competent at a notoriously difficult position to master at a young age. Think never struggled at any minor league level. It never actually matters if the player performs.

I mean... you could've just said who you're talking about instead of popping in out of nowhere with a though that lines up with nothing anyone else has been talking about expressed in a vague way that offers no real substance or value.

But I guess that would be too easy?

 

[djdev]

I hope this new wave doesn't deter free agents from signing with Toronto. Why chance how our gov't will react when they can just sign in the US and not worry. Could be a factor.

impossible to know what will happen in the next few months, no point worrying about it until we can actually sign FAs again imo lol

 

[Amadeus]

impossible to know what will happen in the next few months, no point worrying about it until we can actually sign FAs again imo lol

Trade for them then.

Even as is, we are solid.

 

[Discoverer]

I hope this new wave doesn't deter free agents from signing with Toronto. Why chance how our gov't will react when they can just sign in the US and not worry. Could be a factor.

Are there really that many more questionmarks than there were a few weeks ago when Gausman signed? Or 10 months ago when Springer and Semien signed knowing they wouldn't open the season in Toronto?

 

[dredeye]

I hope this new wave doesn't deter free agents from signing with Toronto. Why chance how our gov't will react when they can just sign in the US and not worry. Could be a factor.

I can’t see how that would be a factor. Also covid seems to magically go away in the summer

 

[Canada4Gold]

Remember Fernando Valenzuela? Remember Junior Felix? Even remember Johnny Bower? These are all pro athletes believed to be much older than their officially listed birth date. I believe there may be a candidate on the current team for the same situation. Think highly competent at a notoriously difficult position to master at a young age. Think never struggled at any minor league level. It never actually matters if the player performs.

Montoyo?

 

[phillipmike]

Blue Jays decide to upgrade Rogers Centre

The Toronto Blue Jays have decided to renovate Rogers Centre instead of building a new stadium to replace it, according to industry sources familiar with the Major League Baseball team’s plan.

Populous will design upgrades to the 32-year-old building and PCI Construction is the general contractor after winning proposals issued by the Blue Jays over the past few months.

The project cost is estimated at $200 million to $250 million for an extensive makeover, sources said. There is no timeline for when construction would start.