Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season III: Ray/Semien out, Gausman in. Jays linked to everyone. Labor strife happening.

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What I would like to see Atkins do once the offseason resumes.

Trade for Ketel Marte to play 2nd base/ outfield
(Kirk+Biggio+prospect)

Trade for Jose Ramirez for 3rd base
(Groshans+Gurriel+2 prospects)

Sign Kershaw for 2 years @ 40 million

Springer-CF
Bichette-SS
Ramirez-3RD
Vlad-1ST
Marte-2ND
Teo -RF
Grichuk-LF
Moreno-DH
Jansen-C

Grossman
Berrios
Kershaw
Manoah
Ryu
 
Dodgers at No. 30?! Ranking every MLB team by how much it has improved
2. Toronto Blue Jays

Midterm grade: A
Beginning pennants: 888 | Current pennants: 1,191
Change: 303 | Wins baseline: 91.7

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What's changed: The Blue Jays' initial glimpse did not include Kevin Gausmanin their rotation. Now it does. The Jays also added a key bullpen arm in Yimi Garcia.
What's left to do: It's really all gravy from here. Like every team, Toronto needs to add pitching depth, particularly in the rotation. Some might see a closer as a need, though I like Jordan Romano in that role just fine. Mostly Toronto can just keep probing the top of the remaining free-agent list for that one additional splash that could put them over the top in the tough AL East.
 
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4. Toronto Blue Jays

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Biggest need: Bat to replace Marcus Semien
Potential targets: Carlos Correa, Trevor Story, Seiya Suzuki, Matt Chapman, Kyle Seager, Josh Harrison, Freddie Freeman
The Blue Jays have a lot of moving parts -- they would like to trade one of the four catchers on their 40-man roster (not prospect Gabriel Moreno), they've been rumored to be shopping Randal Grichuk, and they likely will add another starter to fill out the rotation. The biggest priority, however, should be replacing Semien. They have flexibility here:
  • They could sign one of the shortstops and move Bo Bichette, who ranked in just the sixth percentile among shortstops in Statcast's Outs Above Average metric, to second base.
  • They could go after a third baseman -- Chapman in a trade, Seager as a free agent -- and let Santiago Espinal and Cavan Biggiohandle second base. Seager would provide a lefty bat in Toronto's righty-heavy lineup.
  • They could sign Harrison to play second base.
  • Or maybe they go in a completely different direction. The Blue Jays have reportedly been interested in Freeman and Suzuki, which does suggest they're looking for another big bat. Freeman feels like an awkward fit with Vladimir Guerrero Jr. at first base, but maybe the Jays would move the slimmed down Guerrero back to third (it seems way too early in his career to make him a permanent DH).
What they should do: Sign Correa. Toronto's current payroll via Cot's Contracts is $159 million. They should be operating closer to the Yankees and Red Sox. Dumping Grichuk's $10.3 million would help in that area. Realistically, with George Springer, Jose Berrios and Kevin Gausman on $100 million-plus deals and Guerrero and Bichette coming up in the future, Correa might be too pricey for the Blue Jays' comfort level. In that case, Seager can plug in at third base for a year and they can use their farm system depth to acquire one of the Cincinnati or Oakland starters.
 
And I believe he was only used as a reliever LOL.

The Liriano series of transactions was pure genious by Shapkins. Still probably their best moves to me.

Traded a washed Drew Hutchinson for Liriano + 2 solid prospects, one of whom was Reese Mcguire. Then Walker fixed Liriano and he helped us get to the playoffs. And then we trade him for Teo.
 
The Liriano series of transactions was pure genious by Shapkins. Still probably their best moves to me.

Traded a washed Drew Hutchinson for Liriano + 2 solid prospects, one of whom was Reese Mcguire. Then Walker fixed Liriano and he helped us get to the playoffs. And then we trade him for Teo.
If I remember correctly we then re signed him that off season or the next. Maybe I’m wrong with that though
 
If I remember correctly we then re signed him that off season or the next. Maybe I’m wrong with that though

August 1, 2016: Traded by the Pittsburgh Pirates with Reese McGuire and Harold Ramirez to the Toronto Blue Jays for Drew Hutchison.
July 31, 2017: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Houston Astros for Nori Aoki and Teoscar Hernandez.
November 2, 2017: Granted Free Agency.
February 23, 2018: Signed as a Free Agent with the Detroit Tigers.
October 29, 2018: Granted Free Agency.
February 4, 2019: Signed as a Free Agent with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
October 31, 2019: Granted Free Agency.
January 22, 2020: Signed as a Free Agent with the Philadelphia Phillies.
July 18, 2020: Released by the Philadelphia Phillies.
February 3, 2021: Signed as a Free Agent with the Toronto Blue Jays.
March 29, 2021: Released by the Toronto Blue Jays.
 
Lol I forgot that’s how Liriano first got here. God I hated Drew Hutchison dude was such a scrub can’t believe we indirectly got Teo for him
 
August 1, 2016: Traded by the Pittsburgh Pirates with Reese McGuire and Harold Ramirez to the Toronto Blue Jays for Drew Hutchison.
July 31, 2017: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Houston Astros for Nori Aoki and Teoscar Hernandez.
November 2, 2017: Granted Free Agency.
February 23, 2018: Signed as a Free Agent with the Detroit Tigers.
October 29, 2018: Granted Free Agency.
February 4, 2019: Signed as a Free Agent with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
October 31, 2019: Granted Free Agency.
January 22, 2020: Signed as a Free Agent with the Philadelphia Phillies.
July 18, 2020: Released by the Philadelphia Phillies.
February 3, 2021: Signed as a Free Agent with the Toronto Blue Jays.
March 29, 2021: Released by the Toronto Blue Jays.

Remember when Hutch was our opening day starter - good times
 
Tigers offered Correa 10yrs/$275 million apparently. Is there any team left that would offer him more than what Seager got?

Maybe there’s a possibility he signs a short term deal with opt-outs at a high AAV. Jays can offer him something like $40 million per year over 2-3 years with yearly opt-outs.
 
Maybe Hideki Matsui?

But your point stands. I think they generally just seem to struggle with adapting to hitting the higher velocity.

Crap, I forgot about Matsui. Ok, so he's #3 behind the other two. And then.... yeah.

And I don't think it's just the higher velo. I think it's also the change in play style. NPB ball is quite different from MLB ball. Pitchers threw fewer kinds of pitches but the ones they have are better (velo and movement), hitting is less about slap-hitting contact and speed play and more about driving the ball, defences shift more and defenders are probably on average better. NPB is, talent-wise, somewhere in between MLB and AAA, but it's also a different enough game that simply translating talent level doesn't necessarily work unless you are particularly prodigiously talented as a hittter (Ichiro) or have big time power (Ohtani, Matsui)

i once took in a yankees-angels game in anaheim, and happened to have seats behind a group what looked to be japanese businessmen(dressed in suits, but all in angels jerseys and caps)

im not really sure how much they knew about mlb, but you better believe they jumped the hell up and down high fiving and laughing and shouting the last name of a certain yankees slugger who went deep

:laugh:
 
Tigers offered Correa 10yrs/$275 million apparently. Is there any team left that would offer him more than what Seager got?

Maybe there’s a possibility he signs a short term deal with opt-outs at a high AAV. Jays can offer him something like $40 million per year over 2-3 years with yearly opt-outs.

I agree that it is a lot of money to reject. But if Seager can get $325M with his injury history, then I can see why he would say no, because he is worth more than Seager.

I still think all the big markets have money to spend and can do something.

Xander has an opt out after this year. Devers may want to test the market and JD Martinez is a free agent next offseason. Boston and Cora could grab him.

Angels don’t have a SS and their biggest move can’t be Thor on a 1 year deal.

Dodgers could move Turner to 2B and grab Correra. They did offer Seager big money.

The Yankees don’t like Torres at SS. They will make a play.

Astros still need a SS.

I could see a Jayson Werth type signing for a rebuilding team who has money to spend. Baltimore with their GM from Houston? Twins could be a dark horse, need SS and have money.

Phillies are in win now, need a SS and have money.

Nats aren’t afraid of spending and just lost Turner. Still have Soto, Strasburg, and Corbin. They will try to contend.

Cards have been rumored to be after Story. They could grab Correra considering they were willing to trade for 10 years of Stanton.

Giants have stayed away from a big signing, but they have the money and market.
 
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I want Ramirez so bad.

I think Biggio is perfectly fine as the main 2B with Esp being utility.

I would include Kirk and run with Reese and Danny for another season and perhaps Moreno sees some call up time.

I think Lourdes would perhaps need to go as well, so we’ll likely need to acquire another OF.


That being said, if Correa wants to come here, we don’t say no and figure it out afte
 
Ramirez would be the best to replace most if not all of semien's production. Well springer healthy will help. Bit ramirez just had a great year and will only be better you would think with the jays lineup
 
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