Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season III: Ray/Semien out, Gausman in. Jays linked to everyone. Labor strife happening.

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Passan says the lockout will likely last between 60-90 days. The latest he believes it will go is the first week of March

The random date he gave was February 17th.
 
Why don’t folks like Seager?
LH bat, plays the right position, term and AAV seem like fits.
Could split time with Espinal or Smith, there’s still a path for Groshans and Martinez.
 
Why don’t folks like Seager?
LH bat, plays the right position, term and AAV seem like fits.
Could split time with Espinal or Smith, there’s still a path for Groshans and Martinez.

I like Seager but would only sign him for 1 or two years. He's definitely not in the Jose Ramirez category but he would be a good 3b for a year or two.
 
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If the price on Ramirez were close to reasonable, this would be a done deal. He's the best player in the game at a position of need.
i think the problem is the price for both players is going to be unreasonable to a certain degree. sometimes these things are just a big game of cat and mouse, but i also think considering the circumstances that what oakland is probably asking more than people assume. they arent going to be far apart in price if theres any difference at all.
 
Why don’t folks like Seager?
LH bat, plays the right position, term and AAV seem like fits.
Could split time with Espinal or Smith, there’s still a path for Groshans and Martinez.
i just worry his declining numbers arent going to stop, he hit a bunch of home runs but barely hit over the mendoza line last year, and hes significantly older than both chapman and ramirez. hes a last resort to me if im being honest, i just dont see him having a resurgence of any real kind here. i like ramirez because hes muchhhh more selective at the plate, he draws walks, raises pitch counts AND he can rake. we need more guys that can get on base frequently imo and need to depend a bit less on the HR.
 
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Do you think the next cba will allow teams to freely trade draft picks? Jays could use some of the added draft capital (from losing Semien and Ray) as additional trade ammo.
 
So the Brewers and Jays discussed a JBJ for Grichuk trade. Thank God that didn't happen.
 
i just worry his declining numbers arent going to stop, he hit a bunch of home runs but barely hit over the mendoza line last year, and hes significantly older than both chapman and ramirez. hes a last resort to me if im being honest, i just dont see him having a resurgence of any real kind here. i like ramirez because hes muchhhh more selective at the plate, he draws walks, raises pitch counts AND he can rake. we need more guys that can get on base frequently imo and need to depend a bit less on the HR.
Fair enough, to be honest I didn’t look into him before asking. Wasn’t a strong year for him. Wonder how his splits were?
What I knew was FA, 3B, LH bat. Ha.
I’m not a big fan of massive trades for short terms, but I’d back it and love the ride.
I just think one of Groshans or Martinez will rake pretty soon, and for a long time.
 
Jram is the superior player with what will be the better contract although just for two years. Hitting from the side of the plate we need most. He’s the way better fit and I’d prefer to give up assets to get him and hope we can retain him for the dollars we’d have to give up for Bryant. The price will be high but as long as it’s not the two big prospects it’s all good by me. Kirk, Gurriel, Groshans works for me.
Thing is he's going to cost way more than even that. You're going to have to gut the farm system and some major league players to get 2 years of JRam. If he's on the block again next winter and the Jays haven't found a long-term player at 3B then I'd say try again at Ramirez since some may view him as a rental now (although Jays can very well end up resigning him)

Bryant isn't JRam but he's still an elite player who will mash hitting alongside the BJ sluggers. Also, they won't have to give up anyone to get him which could be huge down the stretch
 
So the Brewers and Jays discussed a JBJ for Grichuk trade. Thank God that didn't happen.
Lol why Grichuk sucks at least JBJ has some success hitting at Rogers Centre. JBJ is definitely an upgrade over Randal and his contract ends after 2022 whereas Randal's somehow doesn't till 2023

No clue why the Sox traded Renfroe for him though. JBJ is clearly a downgrade since Renfroe mashed for them last year
 
Fair enough, to be honest I didn’t look into him before asking. Wasn’t a strong year for him. Wonder how his splits were?
What I knew was FA, 3B, LH bat. Ha.
I’m not a big fan of massive trades for short terms, but I’d back it and love the ride.
I just think one of Groshans or Martinez will rake pretty soon, and for a long time.
ye theres always that risk, but as you probably know in MLB prospects tend to flop more than they pan out(outside of that vlad, franco, tatis type)so even if one turns out to be a ramirez type then you have just traded a longer window for a shorter one. you have 2 years of ramirez before you need to resign him, so thats still a nice window. and with our pitching locked up for a good whil, a core of ramirez, bo, vladdy and one or 2 of the other kids on the cheap is pretty crazy. also this team is very very good at using international signings to offset whichever draft picks they trade away. i fully expect kids like beltre etc to replace one of the big prospects we lose if we do a trade. sorry i think im rambling, hopefully this post makes sense lol im tired.
 
Why don’t folks like Seager?
LH bat, plays the right position, term and AAV seem like fits.
Could split time with Espinal or Smith, there’s still a path for Groshans and Martinez.

Seager is a good plan D if you strike out on plans A-C which would be Ramirez, Chapman and Bryant. The Jays team has a high floor, but they lost Semien and Ray who contributed 12+ WAR. They need to replace some of that and that will come in the way of acquire high end skill, not average MLB players. We got Gausman to replace Ray and if Biggio is going back to 2B, then we need to replace Semien and a player like Ramirez, Chapman and Bryant have a shot at during that whereas Seager doesnt really at this point.

The Jays shopping list should be thin;
-Top end starter (X) - Gausman
-Top end 3B ( )
-Impact pen arm ( ) - optional in my eyes
-#5 Starter ( )

If the Jays truly have $60M to spend and they spent $27M on Gausman and Garcia. I rather spend the remaining $33M on say Bryant ($20M) and Kenley Jansen ($13M) - target upside. And try to find a Matz type via trade or a cheap free agent for Walker to rebuild and battle with Stripling, Person and/or Hatch. Or if you dont want to spend on the pen, go after Bryant/Freeman and pitcher like Rodon/Kershaw/Greinke.

For the record i think Garcia will be the only pen addition of substance. This FO doesnt spend on the pen so they will use the remaining $33M on infielder and a starter.

In other words, spend top end money on top on talent rather than spreading it around on average assets and low ceiling guys. Its the zeke way.

Seager would do well in the AL after being trapped in pitchers parks. He had low BAbip but the bat and defense could play well for a year especially if he splits some time Espinal. Like i said, a good plan D if you strike out on upside but even then, i still rather him on a 1 year deal. I dont think i go 2, unless I'm desperate.
 
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Lol why Grichuk sucks at least JBJ has some success hitting at Rogers Centre. JBJ is definitely an upgrade over Randal and his contract ends after 2022 whereas Randal's somehow doesn't till 2023

No clue why the Sox traded Renfroe for him though. JBJ is clearly a downgrade since Renfroe mashed for them last year
This was discussed earlier, but JBJ requires an $8M buyout in 2023, so not much savings in year 2.

And JBJ was f***ing horrible offensively last year and makes Grichuk look like Vladdy. Plenty of chance of bounce back there, but if you haven't had a chance take a look at his offensive stats from last year. You won't have an appetite afterwards.
 
Well, I was a bit curious about what the actual player demands were. Turns out I was spot on about the players wanting to get rid of the whole arbitration years thing.

I have one idea to deal with the tanking issue in baseball. The problem is it's too darn good a strategy for building a team that remains competitive for years (unless you've got whatever magical strategy the Rays employ). Without it, there's no point even having a draft. How else are you going to keep the best teams from signing the best prospects?

I propose using something like the international pool system. Fine, the Yankees can have their pick of the best prospects every year...ONCE. Just once. You limit how many prospects the most popular teams can sign. The most popular teams might snag the top 5 prospects or so, but then that's it. They're done.
The less popular teams have much higher limits. If prospects want to be paid at a higher level, they gotta join the teams with more open slots/a larger pool/whatever during a designated signing period of sorts (outside of it, teams can pay whatever, but the idea is ONLY during this special signing period prospects can expect to be paid big; there should be some stipulation in place that forces teams to expend their entire pool, and obviously pools should be large to force cheap teams to pay up; basically, instead of revenue sharing, it's a larger draft pool). Team placement and revenue also affects how many slots/pool they have, obviously.
To prevent teams fro convincing prospects they suck long enough to sign them cheap outside of the designated signing season, there should be independent MLB scouts any school or kid can call to give them an honest evaluation.

Well, I'm sure there are some holes in that idea, I imagine it would be pretty crazy seeing dozens of teams competing for hundreds of prospects all at once instead of using a nice and ordered drafting system, but it seems to me tying revenue sharing to drafting pools would be a good way to ensure teams spent their money on getting better especially if you give the team free rein to sign whoever they want and force them to spend every penny on players. Of course, I doubt they would actually do this. Then again, I doubted MLB would ever consider shortening the season, expanding the playoffs, or implementing a universal DH.
 
And JBJ was f***ing horrible offensively last year and makes Grichuk look like Vladdy. Plenty of chance of bounce back there, but if you haven't had a chance take a look at his offensive stats from last year. You won't have an appetite afterwards.

Aside from the contract issues, which aren't much better, I have no idea why anyone would consider JBJ. Just keep Grichuk. The outfield situation is pretty darn solid with him on the team. Nobody wants him anyway, not for anyone good, at least.
 


Schwarber wants $60M over 3 years. Would you guys take him on a 3 year deal worth $45-$50M?
 


Schwarber wants $60M over 3 years. Would you guys take him on a 3 year deal worth $45-$50M?

another outielder is not what we need, i would pass and give that money to bryant if we are going the FA route. BUT, if we trade gurriel as part of a package for a 3rd baseman then yes i would.
 
Curtis Granderson linked to the Mats managerial job.

One of the classiest guys in sports. I bet he'll never get ejected.
 
There are just so many different ways to get better, that I think the front office is just prioritizing getting the best team on the field in the most efficient way. They could easily sign or trade to fill any of the spots for a 2B, 3B, back end starter, reliever, etc.
 
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Personally I would like to see the Jays trade Ryu and Grichuk, use that money to grab some more pitching depth, but I don't know if many teams will want that contract of Ryu.

What about Biggio will he be going back to 2nd? That position needs to be figured out now without Semien of course.
 
Why don’t folks like Seager?
LH bat, plays the right position, term and AAV seem like fits.
Could split time with Espinal or Smith, there’s still a path for Groshans and Martinez.

Seager is an excellent plan B if we can't get one of the 3B stars.

I love picking up hitters from pitcher-friendly parks, and Seattle is one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in the league. To wit - Seager is a career .721 OPS at home and .801 on the road (.573 vs .861 last year). Put him in a hitter-friendly park like Skydome, and it would not surprise me to see him OPS well over .800 with close to 40 dingers and solid defense.

For this same reason, I want us to stay the hell away from Story and Kikuchi.
 
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