Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

[BehindTheTimes]

We didn’t have 3 studs.

Jansen is not a stud. Never been.

Imo Jansen is a stud and will pull ahead of Kirk this year.

You are wrong.

Very wrong imo.

 

[GreytWun]

Opinions on the trade and saying Moreno is a future stud aren't the same thing. I don't care how someone wants to view the trade. Read what you're actually responding to. My issue is insisting Moreno is headed for stardom like prospects don't bust all the time.

It's no different than thinking Tiedemann is going to be a #1 pitcher...it's fine to think that but there's no guarantee he ever reaches it.

Way to say something without actually saying something.


Comes here with an opinion not backed by reality/stats ->gets mad when told as such -> continues to stick to same opinion -> complains about opinions not being allowed when clearly they are if we have to see yours.

You can have your opinions, just don't catch feelings when people don't agree with you.

You and me don’t have any idea what Moreno will turn into, people can say whatever they want on a public forum. Instead of trying to be a know it all understand your opinion doesn’t hold any more value than another posters.

If anyone is catching feelings it’s clearly you.

 

[Puckstuff]

The Nootbar thing was never on the table, soooo.......what are we missing? Pining over imaginary trades?

Odd that Kirk is not made mention of. 8 years of Kirk/Varsho.

Ya I don’t think Nootbar was available so I’m good with Varsho

 

[GreytWun]

Lot of people that don’t normally post in this thread had to jump in when their sports app news tracker told them the Jays traded away a top prospect.

Maybe people lurk around and don’t say anything because of a bunch of posters acting they are smarter than others.

 

[Brown Dog]

You and me don’t have any idea what Moreno will turn into, people can say whatever they want on a public forum. Instead of trying to be a know it all understand your opinion doesn’t hold any more value than another posters.

If anyone is catching feelings it’s clearly you.

Regardless of what Moreno will turn into, he was an asset with real value today.

 

[dredeye]

Maybe people lurk around and don’t say anything because of a bunch of posters acting they are smarter than others.

Regular posters here often have very differing opinions on many occasions. The big thing is the regular posters here bring facts to the discussion. You literally made a comment about someone “catching feelings” about their post/opinion in your last post and then you follow up with this gem as your next post. Opinions are great but the regulars here post with facts to back up said opinions. Someone like you comes in and posts how this trade is an overpay, the jays lost this trade, this was a desperation trade etc but back it up with nothing. Then you’ll get a response from “the regulars” about how it’s not a bad trade and something to be excited about. Back it up with facts to help you understand why it is actually a good deal and then you come back with Moreno is going to be a superstar. Everyone has said he very much has the potential to be a great catcher and I myself said my preference was to move Kirk. But I can see the value of this right away and it’s been shown that we likely have won this trade by a fair margin and that’s even if Moreno ends up as good as projected. It’s like it’s bad that we like this trade eventhough they traded Moreno.

 

[Schennanigans]

I personally was hoping our best prospect would’ve been used on a pitching prospect with #1 potential, or a young arm already there.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I personally was hoping our best prospect would’ve been used on a pitching prospect with #1 potential, or a young arm already there.

To be fair we already own the pitching prospect with #1 potential. I feel like using our catching surplus to add to our major league roster should be seen as the priority over adding to the farm with a team that is competing now.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Imo Jansen is a stud and will pull ahead of Kirk this year.


Very wrong imo.

Assuming he doesn't pull a hamstring first, lol

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Maybe people lurk around and don’t say anything because of a bunch of posters acting they are smarter than others.

I call it hive mind syndrome. For a discussion board there is certainly a lot of narrative/opinion-gatekeeping. Eyedea is one of the better posters though, as he has enough critical thinking to entertain the possibility that his is not the only potential correct opinion.

 

[djdev]

To be fair we already own the pitching prospect with #1 potential. I feel like using our catching surplus to add to our major league roster should be seen as the priority over adding to the farm with a team that is competing now.

and a 24 year legit top 10 pitcher in the game in manoah

 

[Kurtz]

I personally was hoping our best prospect would’ve been used on a pitching prospect with #1 potential, or a young arm already there.

How often do you see teams trade their young, controllable #1 starter?

Only time I ever remember a trade like that happening was Yankees sending Jesus Montero to Seattle for Pineda. That didn't turn out great for either team.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Imo Jansen is a stud and will pull ahead of Kirk this year.


Very wrong imo.

Unless Kirk ages horribly I don't see it. usually the younger guy with better numbers tends make the gap larger between them and the older guy.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Rotation is pretty much set once Tiederman is up. We also have some solid arms in the minors for depth.

What we don't have is a Long term CF within the organization. Varsho should be a mainstay in Cf (when KK leaves) and fill a massive hole for the next 4 years. This organization has struggled to develop a CF and they are very hard to find thru free agency or trade.

 

[GreytWun]

Regardless of what Moreno will turn into, he was an asset with real value today.

Never argued that. I don’t even dislike the trade it’s the point of posters acting if you don’t agree with them then you are wrong. Which is hilarious but sad at the same time.

 

[Anthrax442]

From what I gather, I like the deals we had this offseason. I really liked Gurriel, but its probably a good time to move on.

 

[GreytWun]

I call it hive mind syndrome. For a discussion board there is certainly a lot of narrative/opinion-gatekeeping. Eyedea is one of the better posters though, as he has enough critical thinking to entertain the possibility that his is not the only potential correct opinion.

I don’t disagree however many posters here don’t understand that they act very self entitled and they can’t be wrong. I have no issues with the trade but I don’t get upset because someone comes in with a different opinion on the trade.

This is exactly what is wrong with society today. Everyone only wants to hear what they want.

 

[Discoverer]

I call it hive mind syndrome. For a discussion board there is certainly a lot of narrative/opinion-gatekeeping. Eyedea is one of the better posters though, as he has enough critical thinking to entertain the possibility that his is not the only potential correct opinion.

Considering the constant disagreements the regulars have here, I call bullshit on the idea of a "hive mind".

 

[aight]

Considering the constant disagreements the regulars have here, I call bullshit on the idea of a "hive mind".

I only followed this thread last season, after wondering one time in the past if there was a handy forum for Jays talk but not following up. Last season: “Wait. Leafs fans on HF probably talk Jays too.”

Anyway what I wanted to say was I agree with you that I don’t notice strong hive vibes in this thread.

 

[Suntouchable13]

This trade will be fun to look back on in 4 to 5 years.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Considering the constant disagreements the regulars have here, I call bullshit on the idea of a "hive mind"

A hive mind does not know its in a hive mind. It's funny how you're literally gate-keeping as you're trying to say there's no gate-keeping. lol

The idea that "disagreements the regulars have" proves the absence of a hive mind is laughable. There will always be disagreements between the majority of people who subscribe to the accepted narrative and the few people who don't, regular or otherwise. These groups aren't even always the same people. Some people will represent the majority opinion on one subject, then be fighting the majority with their own minority opinion on another.

Using an example from the Leafs. The "Morgan Rielly is an elite defenseman" who can never be discussed in trade scenarios and we must shame anyone who even brings it up hypothetically.

Previously, Luke Schenn is an "elite shut down defenseman" who will be Leafs "captain some day."

Or Dubas is a genius, savant narrative that finally is starting to fade a bit.

These were all once accepted shibboleths that the hive mind defended with religious-like zeal, against anyone who dared question.

You can tell you've disturbed the hive mind when there seems to be an underlying emotional component to someone's attacking your opinion. Like you've just insulted their very existence by daring to believe something otherwise innocuous.

I'll keep to examples on the hockey side so as not to disturb the baseball nest of bees here.

 

[landy92mack29]

Would be nice to get Vlad+Bo signed long term and lesser extent Jano but biggest thing in the new year is the FO hopefully getting Chapman extended. They are preaching run prevention so think he'd be top priority, question is what would his next contract look like? Will be entering FA at 30 so think a 5-6 yr deal is what he'd be looking for. AAv 20-25 range, say offer 5 yrs for 115 with 6th yr option that'd bump it to 130 total

 

[kb]

A hive mind does not know its in a hive mind. It's funny how you're literally gate-keeping as you're trying to say there's no gate-keeping. lol

The idea that "disagreements the regulars have" proves the absence of a hive mind is laughable. There will always be disagreements between the majority of people who subscribe to the accepted narrative and the few people who don't, regular or otherwise. These groups aren't even always the same people. Some people will represent the majority opinion on one subject, then be fighting the majority with their own minority opinion on another.

Using an example from the Leafs. The "Morgan Rielly is an elite defenseman" who can never be discussed in trade scenarios and we must shame anyone who even brings it up hypothetically.

Previously, Luke Schenn is an "elite shut down defenseman" who will be Leafs "captain some day."

Or Dubas is a genius, savant narrative that finally is starting to fade a bit.

These were all once accepted shibboleths that the hive mind defended with religious-like zeal, against anyone who dared question.

You can tell you've disturbed the hive mind when there seems to be an underlying emotional component to someone's attacking your opinion. Like you've just insulted their very existence by daring to believe something otherwise innocuous.

I'll keep to examples on the hockey side so as not to disturb the baseball nest of bees here.

I'm impressed at the sheer number of strawmen and amount of gaslighting in this one post.

It takes a truly heroic effort to come up with this tripe. People disagreed with the notion that it was a poor trade and explained in detail why. The fact that the posters stuck to their dogmatic opinions which were not based on any facts is not on those who tried to use facts and reason.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'm impressed at the sheer number of strawmen and amount of gaslighting in this one post.

It takes a truly heroic effort to come up with this tripe. People disagreed with the notion that it was a poor trade and explained in detail why. The fact that the posters stuck to their dogmatic opinions which were not based on any facts is not on those who tried to use facts and reason.

The hive has spoken.

I remember having concerns about Nate Pearson when it was unpopular. They were just concerns. I didn't say he was going to bust or anything. But almost immediately, the venom frothing at the mouth came as expected.

The fact that you're having such a visceral reaction to something that seems pretty common place to say about any discussion forum (majority opinions try to undermine minority opinions by calling them names, or calling them stupid, and saying they don't know anything) is pretty telling.

 

[Deebo]

If you post something others disagree with, they are allowed to tell you why. It's why we have a discussion board. But instead of responding with a well thought out rebuttal, some just resort to whining about hive-minds and gate keeping.