Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

[Bjindaho]

Sure it can.

"In my opinion, there's no such thing as bears."

If I really believe that, then the sentence is true. But the opinion I'm expressing (that bears don't exist) is objectively wrong.

But that's not an opinion. That's stating that the truth of objective fact is an opinion (which is incorrect).

By the same token, it is my opinion that there is such thing as bears is also false, because it isn't an opinion.

 

[Discoverer]

But that's not an opinion. That's stating that the truth of objective fact is an opinion (which is incorrect).

By the same token, it is my opinion that there is such thing as bears is also false, because it isn't an opinion.

Fair enough. What I should have said was "Just because you say it's an opinion doesn't make it any less wrong."

 

[SoupNazi]

This feels like...a decision.

 

[Beaumaris]

Opinions can be objectively wrong.

And right surely.

I mean Vladdy has a significantly better bat, and they're both relatively below average defensively (even though Vladdy got a GG), but each year there's basically a 2 win swing in value in favour of Bo due to the positions they play.



Yeah the guy that's been a ~3-4 fWAR pitcher his entire career. Lol!

His History doesn’t impress me bud.What is he doing for my team ? Is all I care about.And he has been utter crap.

 

[MAB1]

And right surely.


His History doesn’t impress me bud.What is he doing for my team ? Is all I care about.And he has been utter crap.

Berrios was crap in 2021?

 

[Blitzkrug]

Okay now i don't feel so bad about not getting Conforto

Berrios was crap in 2021?

He wasn't awful, but certainly wasn't great. His statline might be one of the most bizarre in recent history.

something like 2/3ds of his starts were considered quality but the other third he got absolutely shelled in which made his stats look way worse than they actually were.

The real Berrios is probably somewhere in the middle...hopefully.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Hard pass at that price

yeah me to. Why give them a pitcher who they'll just develop, then trade to astros/redsox/Yankees or lose him to free agency to one of those teams. Nah...Reynolds is good but no thanks!

 

[phillipmike]

The top 10 lineups for 2023 are ...

After watching those Team USA games in the World Baseball Classic in which Mookie Betts led off, Mike Trout batted second, Trea Turner batted ninth (Trea Turner!), etc., it might feel like a letdown to look at … you know, normal lineups. But don’t worry! There are still plenty of

www.mlb.com

4. Blue Jays​

1) George Springer, RF
2) Bo Bichette, SS
3) Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 1B
4) Alejandro Kirk, C
5) Matt Chapman, 3B
6) Danny Jansen, DH
7) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., LF
8) Santiago Espinal, 2B
9) Kevin Kiermaier, CF
Admittedly, this might be a smidge high, because, while the Blue Jays did rank second in MLB in wRC+ in 2022 (118), they will have to account for the absence of a very productive outfielder in Teoscar Hernández, who was dealt to the Mariners for bullpen help (Kiermaier is a defensive upgrade but not an offensive one). The Blue Jays could also still sorely use some help from the left-hand side. Regardless, this remains one of the absolute best lineups in the AL, retaining four regulars (Springer, Kirk, Guerrero and Bichette) who were at least 29 percent better than league average last season, per wRC+.

 

[canucksfan]

The top 10 lineups for 2023 are ...

After watching those Team USA games in the World Baseball Classic in which Mookie Betts led off, Mike Trout batted second, Trea Turner batted ninth (Trea Turner!), etc., it might feel like a letdown to look at … you know, normal lineups. But don’t worry! There are still plenty of

www.mlb.com

So the 2nd best lineup in the AL without adding another bat yet. I would say the Jays are slightly better than the Astros.

 

[Deebo]

 

[Cor]

 

[phillipmike]

So the 2nd best lineup in the AL without adding another bat yet. I would say the Jays are slightly better than the Astros.

I’d say they are a tie but would give the Astros the edge because they have 2 elite lefty handed bats. That’s great balance.

 

[Emerica]

umm

 

[Garlando]

 

[canucksfan]

Interesting

 

[phillipmike]

Ewww. And it’s Moreno+. I hope we get more back. Should have been Carroll.

Weird trade because we told Kiermaier he is the starting CF and Varsho’s value comes from playing CF.

 

[LeafChief]

Moreno??

 

[GreytWun]

Didn’t want to trade Moreno. Wow this trade could look ugly depending on the plus…

 

[BertCorbeau]

Ummmmmm

 

[canucksfan]

 

[LeafChief]

Gurriel too?

 

[TMLeafer]

WHAT

 

[phillipmike]

We better be getting more back.

 

[canucksfan]

Needs to be more coming back to the Jays.

 

[BertCorbeau]

.. does not compute