Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

[Discoverer]

Bauer will get released and never pitch in the majors again.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Bauer will get released and never pitch in the majors again.

He shouldn't, but i'm not too sure about that.

He's too good to just disappear sadly.

As long as the Jays aren't involved i won't get too angry. Can't see them being given they exiled one of their only two hall of famers for being a degenerate from ever having anything to do with the organization.

 

[GoonieFace]

Thanks champ.

I wasn’t trying to be a jerk. You asked what was wrong with him and I stated his name is Men Dick

 

[Kurtz]

Bauer will get released and never pitch in the majors again.

My bet is that he'll be an Astro by New Year's.

 

[phillipmike]

Sounds like the Jays still tried to bring him back with Bassitt signed. Didn’t realize Kluber had a 3.0 fWAR season with the Rays.



Just confirm, there will be another bat added to this lineup. Likely another starter too and possibly a reliever.

 

[phillipmike]

Trade proposals that make sense entering '23

Free agency is winding down, but we could see the trade market pick up coming out of the holiday season as the rest of the offseason plays out and playoff hopefuls look to further improve their rosters before Spring Training. With this in mind, here are five trade proposals --

www.mlb.com

An AL East exchange
Red Sox get: C Danny Jansen
Blue Jays get: OF Alex Verdugo, 2B Nick Yorke (Red Sox's No. 4 prospect)

Honestly, I don’t know what the Red Sox are doing this winter, and I’m not entirely convinced they know, either. If they really are “galaxies apart” in contract extension talks with Rafael Devers, as ESPN’s Joon Lee has reported, then they should seriously consider moving him now. But if they are serious about trying to field a 2023 contender, post-Xander Bogaerts, then upgrading their currently dicey catching outlook would sure help. Intra-division trades are awkward but not impossible, and the Red Sox could offer the Blue Jays a needed left-handed bat in Verdugo, along with a 2020 first-rounder in Yorke. Jansen is under contractual control for two more seasons, and the Blue Jays, with All-Star Alejandro Kirk and top prospect Gabriel Moreno in tow, can afford to deal him now. To take this a step further, if Boston were to fill Verdugo’s outfield spot with Michael Conforto, they will have potentially upgraded two positions.
Who says no? Probably the Blue Jays. Though the market for catching help has dwindled in recent weeks, it’s still a valuable position to have depth, and Toronto might be better-served to take that depth into the season and see what transpires. They do sorely need a left-handed bat, but, if they are going to deal a catcher, there might be better trade options available to them than Verdugo, who has been just a bit better than league average over the last two seasons (105 OPS+).
-- Anthony Castrovince

Big pass.

 

[canucksfan]

Trade proposals that make sense entering '23

Free agency is winding down, but we could see the trade market pick up coming out of the holiday season as the rest of the offseason plays out and playoff hopefuls look to further improve their rosters before Spring Training. With this in mind, here are five trade proposals --

www.mlb.com

Big pass.

Agreed plus Verdugo is a shit stain

 

[trellaine201]

Cohen?

No doubt.

 

[The Iceman]

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think we're anywhere close to the 233 mil MLB luxury tax threshold?

$204,702,488

 

[Bjindaho]

We also traded Osuna for less (though still awful behaviour).

I believe that Osuna got convicted.

Bauer was not convicted of anything and the story is pretty awful, but it was deemed to be consensual. Also, keep in mind that the female actually agreed to it up front. It was a question of reality vs perception as far as I can tell for her.

 

[MAB1]

I believe that Osuna got convicted.

Bauer was not convicted of anything and the story is pretty awful, but it was deemed to be consensual. Also, keep in mind that the female actually agreed to it up front. It was a question of reality vs perception as far as I can tell for her.

A time old tale unfortunately...

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Not following the Bauer story, was he ever officially charged with anything? Or simply convicted due to public opinion?

Not that I care, even outside of these allegations, he comes off as a trash human being.

 

[Hoverhand]

Call me old fashioned but if a woman agreed to consensual rough sex, I would still stop before it led to her being hospitalized with "head and facial trauma"

At best it's "just" throwing a grenade into a clubhouse culture, at worst it's letting a predator wear your uniform.

but sure, sure let the FO light their reputation on fire so we can get a guy who had a 4.03 FIP in his last season. It's foolish and whoever signs him deserves a catastrophic collapse.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Call me old fashioned but if a woman agreed to consensual rough sex, I would still stop before it led to her being hospitalized with "head and facial trauma"

At best it's "just" throwing a grenade into a clubhouse culture, at worst it's letting a predator wear your uniform.

but sure, sure let the FO light their reputation on fire so we can get a guy who had a 4.03 FIP in his last season. It's foolish and whoever signs him deserves a catastrophic collapse.

Yeah fully just not worth the landmine that he will be. He has been pitching to high schoolers on Youtube for a year and a half and while what he did may not make him a criminal he does seem like a piece of shit lol someone will absolutely sign him though.

 

[Bjindaho]

Not following the Bauer story, was he ever officially charged with anything? Or simply convicted due to public opinion?

Not that I care, even outside of these allegations, he comes off as a trash human being.

He was charged, and found not guilty.

He is absolutely without question a trash human being. If he were even made an offer, it would be a 1 year deal, with no options, opt outs or any of that crap and it would be at significantly less than his last deal.

He'd be a mercenary, who is signed to take the ball every 5 days. I'd only be offering 15M, so he'd be paid as a #4 with the possibility that he's the best starter on the staff.

 

[Ale Brew]

He’s technically still under contact with the Dodgers, but the speculation is he’ll be released.

 

[Bjindaho]

 

[Ale Brew]

Maybe this gets things moving for the Jays. If we presume they were in on Conforto until the end, they likely pivot now.

 

[Discoverer]

I still prefer a few of the trade targets available, but I wouldn't be against scooping him up when this deal inevitably falls through.

 

[Ale Brew]

I still prefer a few of the trade targets available, but I wouldn't be against scooping him up when this deal inevitably falls through.

You predicting a lingering wrist injury from his middle school days coming up as problematic?

 

[SoupNazi]

A long way down from Judge and Correa.

He was charged, and found not guilty.

He is absolutely without question a trash human being. If he were even made an offer, it would be a 1 year deal, with no options, opt outs or any of that crap and it would be at significantly less than his last deal.

He'd be a mercenary, who is signed to take the ball every 5 days. I'd only be offering 15M, so he'd be paid as a #4 with the possibility that he's the best starter on the staff.

It should say something that Cleveland - a team that doesn't lose trades for pitching - dumped him for almost nothing after that incident where he was pulled and hurled a ball over the center field fence. Between that, the injury with the drone when he was with the Indians, and this, the boy has a lot of growing up to do. All talent no brains.

 

[Amadeus]

We're we bridesmaids ?

 

[Bjindaho]

Deal has the magic phrase that Toronto wasn't including...opt-out

 

[Bjindaho]

2 year, 36M per Olney. That's too much per year for 1 year too many with an albatross opt-out. That's a panic move.

Conforto just missed an entire year and the season before, he only put up 1.4fWAR (ironically, that is lower than Merrifield last year, who put up a 1.5 spending half the season in a pitcher's park whereas Conforto is coming from NYM)

 

[SoupNazi]

2 year, 36M per Olney. That's too much per year for 1 year too many with an albatross opt-out. That's a panic move.

Conforto just missed an entire year and the season before, he only put up 1.4fWAR (ironically, that is lower than Merrifield last year, who put up a 1.5 spending half the season in a pitcher's park whereas Conforto is coming from NYM)

Yeah, it's a very high-risk deal, IMO. I'm always suspicious of shoulder injuries because too many guys just aren't the same when they come back. This almost feels like a panic move from San Francisco.