Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

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hockeywiz542

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The exception to doing that was with Andrew Heaney, with whom the Blue Jays pushed until the very end, nearly tempting him away from the $25-million, two-year deal the lefty accepted from the Texas Rangers with a stronger offer.

But their run at Justin Verlander was essentially a sure-why-not heave across the court before the halftime buzzer. They stayed firm on their valuations for Kyle Gibson, Quintana and Kenley Jansen, among others, refusing to extend beyond their comfort levels and follow the path that would have locked them into.

The same thing happened in the trade market, where they and the Cardinals both held their ground, prompting St. Louis to sign Contreras instead of trading for Danny Jansen or Oakland’s Sean Murphy. One industry source believes the Cardinals never engaged on outfielders Lars Nootbar and Dylan Carlson and tried to make a deal with closer Ryan Helsley instead.

Given the type of money Contreras commanded, demonstrating how the industry values such a scarce commodity, and the way the Blue Jays view Danny Jansen, Alejandro Kirk and Gabriel Moreno, there was no need for them to jump when other options remain.


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In terms of starting pitching, incumbent Ross Stripling along with fellow free agents Michael Wacha, Noah Syndergaard, Corey Kluber and Drew Smyly, each someone the Blue Jays have pursued in the past, are in the market tier the Blue Jays have shopped in thus far.

Up a notch is Japanese righty Kodai Senga, but he didn’t visit Toronto during his recent tour of potential destinations and the Blue Jays were described as not being at the forefront of his suitors by an industry source. Nate Eovaldi and Chris Bassitt are other options at that level but on both, the Blue Jays don’t seem particularly active, or on upper tier lefty Carlos Rodon.


Their interest in Kenley Jansen is intriguing and a potential path for the Blue Jays is adding stability to the rotation and high-end impact to the bullpen. The White Sox have reportedly discussed trading closer Liam Hendriks, who visited the Blue Jays’ spring facility in Dunedin as a free agent, and that’s a way to really alter the club’s run-prevention equation.

Offensively, free agent centre-fielder Brandon Nimmo remains an ideal fit, but the $90-million, five-year guarantee the Red Sox gave to outfielder Masataka Yoshida suggests bidding for the New York Mets free agent could get wild.

The San Francisco Giants, spurned by Judge, loom large there, too, but the Blue Jays could also aim for Michael Conforto, another Scott Boras client they’ve expressed an interest in, to play right field and add someone like Kevin Kiermaier to play a part-time role in centre field.

Opportunities in the trade market exist for both starters and position players and while costly, there are always ways for the Blue Jays to get creative.


Given all that, the week’s lack of additions for the Blue Jays simply means that their off-season business may drag into January, instead of being neatly wrapped up for the holidays.
 

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The exception to doing that was with Andrew Heaney, with whom the Blue Jays pushed until the very end, nearly tempting him away from the $25-million, two-year deal the lefty accepted from the Texas Rangers with a stronger offer.

But their run at Justin Verlander was essentially a sure-why-not heave across the court before the halftime buzzer. They stayed firm on their valuations for Kyle Gibson, Quintana and Kenley Jansen, among others, refusing to extend beyond their comfort levels and follow the path that would have locked them into.

The same thing happened in the trade market, where they and the Cardinals both held their ground, prompting St. Louis to sign Contreras instead of trading for Danny Jansen or Oakland’s Sean Murphy. One industry source believes the Cardinals never engaged on outfielders Lars Nootbar and Dylan Carlson and tried to make a deal with closer Ryan Helsley instead.

Given the type of money Contreras commanded, demonstrating how the industry values such a scarce commodity, and the way the Blue Jays view Danny Jansen, Alejandro Kirk and Gabriel Moreno, there was no need for them to jump when other options remain.


......................

In terms of starting pitching, incumbent Ross Stripling along with fellow free agents Michael Wacha, Noah Syndergaard, Corey Kluber and Drew Smyly, each someone the Blue Jays have pursued in the past, are in the market tier the Blue Jays have shopped in thus far.

Up a notch is Japanese righty Kodai Senga, but he didn’t visit Toronto during his recent tour of potential destinations and the Blue Jays were described as not being at the forefront of his suitors by an industry source. Nate Eovaldi and Chris Bassitt are other options at that level but on both, the Blue Jays don’t seem particularly active, or on upper tier lefty Carlos Rodon.


Their interest in Kenley Jansen is intriguing and a potential path for the Blue Jays is adding stability to the rotation and high-end impact to the bullpen. The White Sox have reportedly discussed trading closer Liam Hendriks, who visited the Blue Jays’ spring facility in Dunedin as a free agent, and that’s a way to really alter the club’s run-prevention equation.

Offensively, free agent centre-fielder Brandon Nimmo remains an ideal fit, but the $90-million, five-year guarantee the Red Sox gave to outfielder Masataka Yoshida suggests bidding for the New York Mets free agent could get wild.

The San Francisco Giants, spurned by Judge, loom large there, too, but the Blue Jays could also aim for Michael Conforto, another Scott Boras client they’ve expressed an interest in, to play right field and add someone like Kevin Kiermaier to play a part-time role in centre field.

Opportunities in the trade market exist for both starters and position players and while costly, there are always ways for the Blue Jays to get creative.


Given all that, the week’s lack of additions for the Blue Jays simply means that their off-season business may drag into January, instead of being neatly wrapped up for the holidays.
Conforto and Kiermaier is about as unsexy and disappointing of an offseason as I can imagine.
 

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Conforto and Kiermaier is about as unsexy and disappointing of an offseason as I can imagine.
After talking a big game all winter, I don't think they'd have the audacity to do that. I'd imagine that would be paired with a pretty big trade to bolster the rotation.

They're supposedly meeting with Scott Boras this week and I have to imagine we'll get a lot of Brandon Nimmo rumblings then.
 

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Rip off a blank cheque. They haven't splurged in other areas and they have the financials to survive an overpay. I've been fine with them letting the market come to them thus far but I think now is the time to put your chips in the middle, they need an impact OF.
 

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I dont love Nimmo with his durability concerns and the fact we would be in the same situation as now in a couple of years of needing to move him off CF, but he is a good fit for the lineup currently. Would then let us shift focus to using our catching depth to add another arm.
 

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I know im in the minority but do not want Nimmo if he gets 5-6 years or more than $25M a year.

I prefer the financial flexibility of 2 of Kiermaier, Gallo, Brantley and/or Conforto. Or trading for a younger CF that will stay in the position longer than 2-3 years. Having payroll next year for some of the arms available.
 

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am I the only one who think conforto would be a sneaky good pickup?
 

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am I the only one who think conforto would be a sneaky good pickup?

Missing the entire year puts a huge risk unless its a one year deal.

All for Nimmo getting 6 years, 140-150 million. We need players to take advantage of the window we have.
 

Woodman19

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I know im in the minority but do not want Nimmo if he gets 5-6 years or more than $25M a year.

I prefer the financial flexibility of 2 of Kiermaier, Gallo, Brantley and/or Conforto. Or trading for a younger CF that will stay in the position longer than 2-3 years. Having payroll next year for some of the arms available.
I don't like the type of contract Nimmo is going to get, but I am of the boat where I would rather just get Zimmer back for peanuts over paying a similar glove first, left handed no bat who is a man made of glass like Kiermaier and defensive downgrades in Brantley/Conforto compared to Teo. Gallo also strikes out what, like 80% of his PA's?
 

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I know im in the minority but do not want Nimmo if he gets 5-6 years or more than $25M a year.

I prefer the financial flexibility of 2 of Kiermaier, Gallo, Brantley and/or Conforto. Or trading for a younger CF that will stay in the position longer than 2-3 years. Having payroll next year for some of the arms available.

Counterpoint: sign the star OF and let him play CF in 2023 and work on trading for a long-term CF who can push both Nimmo/Springer to a corner sometime in the next two years.
 

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The Nimmo sweepstakes is going to probably drag out into next week.

I fully expect the Giants to be the favorite since they probably pivoted after Judge decided to stay in the Bronx. Nothing says good sense like giving out a massive contract because you were spurned. Then the Mets second because Cohen literally doesn't give a damn. If he can pay the player, he will pay the player.

That would put the Jays third in my estimation.
 

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To be honest, I wonder if Bichette would make a good CF
In my dream world we’d sign Correa and do exactly that. Bo’s not a great defender at SS, so you upgrade there with Carlos. Even if he gives close to average D you’ve upgraded big time.
 

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Key word is “most” but even that isn’t true.


5 of the top 10 free agents are still available.

Even 9 of the top 18 are still available.

27 of the top 50 have yet to sign.

And there hasn’t been a trade of note that was made since Teo unless you include the Wong or Renfroe trades.

Still VERY VERY early.
You think.
To be honest, I wonder if Bichette would make a good CF
That has crossed my mind also.
 

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Plus we need to leave some fly balls to the corner OF’s. Kirk being the alpha male he is would probably track down everything line to line and call the others off.
The real bonus is if Bichette tracked out to CF to try to make a catch he shouldnt, it would be like a car standing on the tracks as a 100 car freight train comes through.
 
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