SDig14
Registered User
Hopefully the Giants spend about $340 million on Correa and Jays can land Nimmo or Senga. Mets will try to screw us I'm sure.
Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness
- Thread starter BertCorbeau
- Start date
- Status
AJ Preller is a mad man. Literally nothing about this makes sense lmao. This is the sports version of money burning a hole in your pocket.
San Diego already has two good shortstops in Tatis and Kim, with Kim really flashing what he's made of in Tatis' absence in 2022. Boegarts is basically another Tatis in the sense he's a great hitter but leaves a lot to be desired defensively 11 years is just lunacy for a player of his type. Turner at least will likely make a significant impact over the first part of the deal where you can live with the ugly, but this?
I would assume the plan now is Tatis gets bumped to the outfield, Cronenworth gets moved to first base and then Kim/Boegarts middle infield. Also Machado has an opt out next year and Soto is definitely testing free agency. You better win now.
This market is absolutely, positively ****ed. Boegarts wasn't even a top 10 FA and he still gets that type of contract? Shit be wild.
$340m Tatis
$300m Machado (with opt-outs)
$280m Bogaerts
$126m Darvish
$100m Musgrove
San Diego already has two good shortstops in Tatis and Kim, with Kim really flashing what he's made of in Tatis' absence in 2022. Boegarts is basically another Tatis in the sense he's a great hitter but leaves a lot to be desired defensively 11 years is just lunacy for a player of his type. Turner at least will likely make a significant impact over the first part of the deal where you can live with the ugly, but this?
I would assume the plan now is Tatis gets bumped to the outfield, Cronenworth gets moved to first base and then Kim/Boegarts middle infield. Also Machado has an opt out next year and Soto is definitely testing free agency. You better win now.
This market is absolutely, positively ****ed. Boegarts wasn't even a top 10 FA and he still gets that type of contract? Shit be wild.
$340m Tatis
$300m Machado (with opt-outs)
$280m Bogaerts
$126m Darvish
$100m Musgrove
trellaine201
Registered User
I still much rather prefer MLB's salary structure with the luxury tax than NHL's hard cap. Let the big money makers be big money spenders. Not like the low payroll teams are going to go out of their way to spend some money to make themselves better. No need to impede other teams' spending abilities when others don't want to.
Brock Boeser Laser Show
Registered User
- Sep 27, 2017
- 5,982
- 5,435
Just crazy to spend 340 million on a Tatis if he's playing LF. That's not a position you should be spending much money on. If Tatis isn't being dealt than this is a very odd way to build a roster.
Last edited by a moderator:
saska sault
Registered User
phillipmike
Registered User
- Oct 27, 2009
- 12,706
- 8,621
Xander makes sense for the Pads like Turner and Judge did. Start Bogaerts at SS, Machado is at 3B and Tatis goes to the OF.
Machado has an opt out after this season. He is turning 31 and has $160M over 5 years left. Turner at 30 got $300M. If Machado is healthy and has good season, he is opting out and getting at least another $250M.
So if he does, Tatis can go to 3B or SS with Xander taking the remaining spot.
Machado has an opt out after this season. He is turning 31 and has $160M over 5 years left. Turner at 30 got $300M. If Machado is healthy and has good season, he is opting out and getting at least another $250M.
So if he does, Tatis can go to 3B or SS with Xander taking the remaining spot.
They have a season to do so. Machado has one more year left on his deal before he can opt out (at these rates he'd be a fool not to) and this just further guarantees Juan Soto is 1000% going to free agency and will likely land the richest contract in baseball history assuming he can keep his pre-Padres level of production up.
No chance they hold on to all 4. I can see Machado sticking around since he seems to love it in San Diego but Soto is basically a glorified rental.
phillipmike
Registered User
- Oct 27, 2009
- 12,706
- 8,621
trellaine201
Registered User
I absolutely can't wait to see the money Dansby Swanson gets. God help us all if he somehow lands something similar to Boegarts.
I mean, he shouldn't, but at this point who knows. Correa will likely beat what Turner and Boegarts got by a bit and then someone will overpay for Swanson because FOMO. And will likely make signing Bo even more expensive down the road. No reason Correa doesn't go "hey yeah so those guys got this and i'm the best of the bunch soooo"
I mean, he shouldn't, but at this point who knows. Correa will likely beat what Turner and Boegarts got by a bit and then someone will overpay for Swanson because FOMO. And will likely make signing Bo even more expensive down the road. No reason Correa doesn't go "hey yeah so those guys got this and i'm the best of the bunch soooo"
HuGort
Registered User
Every free agent we been linked to signed. Quintana to Mets, Bellinger to Cubs, Jansen to Red Sox, Heaney, Gibson it's long list. Conteras to Cardinals those trade rumours are done. Options are thinning outKey word is “most” but even that isn’t true.
2022-23 Top 50 Free Agents With Predictions
It's one of our biggest days of the year! MLB Trade Rumors is proud to present our 17th annual Top …www.mlbtraderumors.com
5 of the top 10 free agents are still available.
Even 9 of the top 18 are still available.
27 of the top 50 have yet to sign.
And there hasn’t been a trade of note that was made since Teo unless you include the Wong or Renfroe trades.
Still VERY VERY early.
Cloned
Begging for Bega
- Aug 25, 2003
- 81,237
- 70,664
They’ve already beaten the Dodgers. The problem is the Astros have a clutch postseason roster. And the NL have had a Cinderella team the last two years.
phillipmike
Registered User
- Oct 27, 2009
- 12,706
- 8,621
You listed 4 players they missed out on so far. Jays were linked to at least 4 players in the previous offseasons that they lost out on before they made their first major signings;
-2019: Moustakas, Cole, Odorizzi, Didi, Miley, and Lindblom all signed before Ryu did with the Jays. Jays followed that up with Shaw, Dolis and Yamaguchi.
-2020: LeMahieu, Kim, Gausman, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Kluber, and Smyly all signed before Springer did with the Jays. Not to mention the trades for Lindor and Carrasco the Jays finished 2nd in. After Springer, the Jays acquired; Matz, Semien, Phelps and Payamps.
-2021: Seager, Semien, Escobar, Verlander, Syndergaard, Matz and Heaney all signed before Gausman did with the Jays. After Gausman they acquired Garcia, Chapman, Kikuchi, Tapia and Zimmer.
And St. Louis isn’t the only team that needs catching. Arizona, Miami, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, White Sox, Minnesota, Houston, Tampa, and Boston all have needs at catcher. One team from that list plus St. Louis were going to sign Contreras and no longer be trading partners for the Jays. Jays were always going to lose one suitor the moment Contreras signs and it was St. Louis but the other 10 suitors still need a catcher.
By the looks of one report, none of the Cards outfielders were on the table for Jansen. They offered Heasley.
As I said, it’s very early and your statement that “most of the good players have been snapped up” isn’t true. Still a lot left. This is free agency. You put feelers and offers - sometimes because it’s the player you would like to have and/or drive the price up on other teams. Jays did this with LeMahieu and Yadi Molina.
Last edited:
saska sault
Registered User
A few of those guys were never prime options for the Jays... More than a few.
Management is keeping their cards close to their chest, but I see a growing trend.
If we were pursuing Heaney and Gibson, they were likely 5th starter options (where we would move Kikuchi).
Pursuing Bellinger was likely as a 2nd OF acquisition (hence the reluctance to go near that deal).
Assuming that this is true, I'd guess that Nimmo is option 1, and that we are at least entertaining the possibility of adding a Conforto or Gallo on a one-year prove it deal to play LF every day. On the SP market, there is Rodon, Stripling and Bassitt who would likely slot in above Kikuchi and Florida is an excellent target for SP (it wouldn't shock me if we have frameworks on deals with and without including a catcher). We don't NEED a reliever (thanks to Swanson), so we can afford to see what we can get at a value that we like.
If we were pursuing Heaney and Gibson, they were likely 5th starter options (where we would move Kikuchi).
Pursuing Bellinger was likely as a 2nd OF acquisition (hence the reluctance to go near that deal).
Assuming that this is true, I'd guess that Nimmo is option 1, and that we are at least entertaining the possibility of adding a Conforto or Gallo on a one-year prove it deal to play LF every day. On the SP market, there is Rodon, Stripling and Bassitt who would likely slot in above Kikuchi and Florida is an excellent target for SP (it wouldn't shock me if we have frameworks on deals with and without including a catcher). We don't NEED a reliever (thanks to Swanson), so we can afford to see what we can get at a value that we like.
trellaine201
Registered User
Nimmo makes to much sense as a CF lefty bat. They've also praised guys that can make contact and get on base. Nimmo ticks just about every box, aside from having a perfect attendance record. Although Springer and Nimmo both have a tendency to miss some time, having 2 of them would lessen the blow for whenever one is out. Springer, Nimmo, Gurriel and Gallo would be a really nice outfield.
Another deal I keep thinking about is Jansen for Quantril. Jansen has more then double the value of Quantril on baseballtradevalues but that doesn't make much sense to me. Quantril to me is a really good #3 starter with 3 years of control. Guardians need a catcher. Jays need a starter. I don't know what a fair deal would be (I don't know who would be adding) but as a basis of a deal, it seems fair.
Woodman19
Registered User
- Jun 14, 2008
- 18,565
- 2,049
Another name I would have interest in from the Guardians is Trevor Stephan. Why not add another K reliever with good velo and a ton of team control.
Even Russia and USA are making trades before the Jays.
Eyedea
The Legend Continues
Quantrill has been getting less whiffs each year since he joined the league. 3rd highest contact% among qualified starters last season. Yes he gets weak contact from batters chasing his pitches but it's hard to rate him as a #3, let alone a good #3 when his peripherals scream back end of rotation. Let's see how his ERA fares in the new no-shift era.
Difference in MLB, you can realistically contend with a young cheap roster for quite a few years before they hit UFA status. The other major sports don't really provide that opportunity. Its why I don't care if these high payroll teams overpay on the back end of player's careers.
- Status
