Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition II - Winter Meeting Madness

[Blitzkrug]

I mind the idea of wasting our remaining budget on a wildcard.

I would be more concerned if Senga couldn't throw gas. If i recall reading, there was always a concern about pitchers coming over from the east since their game was more oriented on contact for hitters and generating poor contact with an emphasis on breaking pitches. Not going to act like an expert since i know precisely **** all about the Japanese game.

Senga doesn't really seem to fit that bill if it's true from what i've seen and the fact it feels like half the league has at least been in touch with him.

 

[dredeye]

MLB: "Hey, teams considering Judge. Just wanted to let you know that we rigged the Yankee Stadium balls to fly farther than the average ball, so you may not want to sign him, because he's not as good as he appears. We'd really prefer him resigning in New York, you know."

What’s really scary about this ball garbage that’s out there is this is how a league can manipulate the ability for certain teams to win or players to break records like judge. There needs to be one ball and one ball only. I don’t understand why the union isn’t losing it about there being three balls.

 

[The Iceman]

Pretty sure we will end up with Springers buddy and left handed hitter and fielder Brantley.

broken down golf cart...hard pass on the 36 year old (By the start of next season). We need a guy that can play CF.

 

[Blitzkrug]

All that being said i think a reunion with Stripling would be fine.

Unlike some of the other more rich pitching contracts being thrown out to the second tier guys (Quintana/Tallion/Walker) the Jays would at least know what they're getting in Strip. He'll give you an unremarkable/not flashy 5 innings, keep the other team limited and can be moved around if need be.

Depending how you look at it, on paper the Jays really don't need that big of an upgrade to pitching. Your 1/2 are set with Manoah and Gausman, assuming last year was a blip (please god let it be) you have a really good #3 in Berrios and then a bunch of garbage to slot in to your 5th spot which is fine since generally most teams #5 starter isn't much to write home about.

There's plenty of guys on the market still that can fill that 4 hole. Stripling, Chris Bassitt, Noah Syndergaard, Corey Kluber, etc, etc.

 

[Discoverer]

I mind the idea of wasting our remaining budget on a wildcard.

If the Jays really have a little over $30 million to spend, I have a hard team seeing that as "wasting". He's a wild card, but he also has a ton of potential upside. Even if it takes $20 million per year, you can still trade one of your catchers for a young controllable OF and have plenty of money left to sign another good reliever.

 

[phillipmike]

Rule 5 draft starts at 5pm.

Previewing the 2022 Rule 5 Draft

SAN DIEGO – For the first time in three years, since the last time the Winter Meetings took place in San Diego, the Rule 5 Draft will be held in person. That’s after it was forced into being a remote event because of the pandemic in 2020 and canceled in

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16 prospects who could get taken in today's Rule 5 Draft

SAN DIEGO -- After a one-year hiatus, the Rule 5 Draft is back. And Wednesday afternoon (5 p.m. ET/2 PT) will mark the first time since 2019 that the baseball world will be coming together for the event in person. Figuring out who might get taken in the Major League

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Wouldn’t mind grabbing;

Dominic Canzone, OF/1B, D-backs (No. 19)
The left-handed-hitting Canzone was an eighth-round pick of the D-backs out of Ohio State in 2019 and spent most of the 2022 season in Triple-A, finishing with a .300/.367/.541 line. There’s power (22 homers in 2022, .533 career SLG in the Minors) and he has shown the ability to play both the outfield (the corners particularly) and first base.

Matt Gorski, OF, Pirates (No. 22)
The second-rounder out of Indiana has some serious raw tools that enabled him to turn in a 20-20 season in just 81 games in 2022. The power-speed combination does come with some swing-and-miss (28.7 strikeout rate in his career), but he can play all three outfield spots and has even dabbled at first base.

Kameron Misner, OF, Rays (No. 19)
In addition to Lopez, there’s been buzz the Rays might also lose Misner’s power bat. Taken No. 35 overall in the 2019 Draft by the Marlins and shipped to the Rays in the Joey Wendle deal, Misner could provide a team with legitimate raw power from the left side. He also could be a three-true-outcomes type, one who can hit the ball out of the park, draw walks (16.9 percent rate in Double-A in 2022) and strike out (30.4 K rate), while also being an asset on the basepaths, as he used his athleticism to swipe 32 bags last year.

Or any of the arms on that list with velo.

 

[Canada4Gold]

A's take former Jays 1B in the rule 5 from LAD Ryan Noda. Part of the Stripling trade

 

[Discoverer]

Rule 5 draft starts at 5pm.

Previewing the 2022 Rule 5 Draft

SAN DIEGO – For the first time in three years, since the last time the Winter Meetings took place in San Diego, the Rule 5 Draft will be held in person. That’s after it was forced into being a remote event because of the pandemic in 2020 and canceled in

www.mlb.com

16 prospects who could get taken in today's Rule 5 Draft

SAN DIEGO -- After a one-year hiatus, the Rule 5 Draft is back. And Wednesday afternoon (5 p.m. ET/2 PT) will mark the first time since 2019 that the baseball world will be coming together for the event in person. Figuring out who might get taken in the Major League

www.mlb.com

Wouldn’t mind grabbing;







Or any of the arms on that list with velo.

I'd be surprised to see the Jays take anyone. They don't really have a clear spot on the 25-man to stash someone.

 

[phillipmike]

Former Jay, Ryan Noda was taken 2nd overall from the Dodgers by the A’s. Such an A’s pick.

Dodgers lost 2 players in the first 3 picks. And 3 in total. Boston lost 3 players already so far.

A lot of players taken so far.



Major league portion is over. Jays lost no one. Triple A draft going to happen after a 5 minute break.

 

[Kurtz]

Meh, tying up $$ to lower end rotation spots is how you end up with Kikuchi. For all we know, Berrios doesn't bounce back and the Jays only have Manoah and Gausman to rely on.

I still think you get a top of the rotation arm via trade. That way if Berrios bounces back he'll be your #4, if he doesn't you still have 3 arms ahead of him in a playoff series.

Well, it's one thing to tie up money in hopes of turning around career scrubs like Kikuchi or Roark, but quite another to add guys with decent runs of success like Stripling and Thor.

 

[shortfuze]

Once again.

What do you mean once again?

 

[Canada4Gold]

Jays don't draft anyone, no Jays played selected in the major league phase

 

[Canada4Gold]

Jays take catcher Kekai Rios from the Cubs in the minor league phase

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Canada4Gold]

Former Jays OF Josh Palacios taken. He was lost to waivers this past season

 

[Canada4Gold]

Former Jays 1st rounder Warmoth taken by Seattle

 

[Bjindaho]

Former Jays 1st rounder Warmoth taken by Seattle

I thought that the minor league portion required guys to play at least one level higher?

 

[Canada4Gold]

I thought that the minor league portion required guys to play at least one level higher?

Nope. You can protect up to 40 players on your MLB 40 man roster. Then you can protect up to 38 additional players on your triple AAA roster. You can then pick as many players in the minor league phase until that list becomes 38. There are no requirements once taken.

Jays didn't protect Warmoth from the milb phase so they would have had him listed on a AA roster or lower(to protect guys like Gabby Martinez no doubt). But he can play where Seattle wants him to now

 

[phillipmike]

 

[phillipmike]

 

[habamillions]

5 years,90mil.

 

[Discoverer]

5 years,90mil.

Wow... super intriguing player, but I didn't expect that kind of contract!

 

[MAB1]

Well, it's one thing to tie up money in hopes of turning around career scrubs like Kikuchi or Roark, but quite another to add guys with decent runs of success like Stripling and Thor.

Trading for a top of the rotation arm doesn't stop you from signing Stripling. Especially if it's a guy like Burnes or Lopez.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Will Blue Jays pass the $233 million luxury tax threshold this offseason?

Toronto might have a plan and the money to pass the tax limit, but it remained quiet on the free-agent front at MLB's Winter Meetings.

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Outlook for a long-term extension for young core

Even if the Blue Jays stay below the CBT threshold for the 2023 season, the rising cost of their payroll will be a development to watch in the years to come, especially as their young players get more expensive and inch closer to free agency.

It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette were rookies on a rebuilding Blue Jays team, but now they’re just three years away from free agency. As pillars of the team’s core, the Blue Jays have long been interested in inking both players to long-term deals. That interest remains, and according to Shapiro, the team continues to have a dialogue with both players about signing a long-term extension.

“Three years is a very long time, but we’re also cognizant that three years can come quickly, and we’ll take every advantage of what that means to our window to compete and always maintain an openness and a willingness and a desire to keep them here longer,” Shapiro said.

When speaking in general terms about signing arbitration-eligible players to extensions, Shapiro has always talked about the concept of sharing risk. Typically, for a deal to materialize, both club and player must find the “sweet spot” they’re comfortable with.

“Where do you both get comfortable with a level of risk? Us with what the commitment means, and them with what they could potentially be giving up,” Shapiro said.

Presumably, the longer Bichette and Guerrero play in the majors and establish themselves as franchise players, the presumed risks surrounding signing a long-term deal lowers for the team, which can better project those players’ futures and therefore feel comfortable with a significant commitment. For the players, though, the closer they get to free agency, the more likely they might be to just see how they could fare on the open market.

“The closer they get to free agency, the more that changes their equation of risk,” Shapiro said. “It makes them probably less willing to give up the risk of what it means to be out there. The timing, it impacts the sharing of the risk and that sweet-spot equation.”

 

[Ale Brew]

Mets supposedly interested in Stripling and Sengai, at least presumably aiming to sign one of them. They’ve already added 2 starters. Save some for us lol!