Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition 5.0 - The Winter Meeting Chronicles

[Bjindaho]

Please tell me how Stroman has been anything above a number 3, outside of the four game sample size at the end of 2015? You want your #1 putting up an ERA in the 4s/mid to high 3s? I wouldn't. Maybe he is a number one on a non-contendor. Stroman doesn't get you a title.

If Shapiro and co called up offering Stroman for Correa, I can tell you the Astros would be blocking their numbers. Stroman isn't in an elite tier with Goldschmidt, Correa, etc.

ERA? ERA?

 

[TOGuy14]

Paul Kinzer's offseason summarized

 

[HOCKEYGOON]

Ya, ee is the best power hitter in the class, definetly not the best player in the class tho

Being the best doesn't mean teams will meet his demands.... teams will go with safer contracts before saddling big $$ to an aging part-time 1B.

 

[ChampsSince67]

Ah yes ERA the best way to evaluate pitchers, wins must be super important too?

Lol I know how to evaluate pitchers quite well. His 3.71 FIP is considered average. The K's per 9 are nothing special.

I'm just saying, Stroman is a future number 3.

 

[ChampsSince67]

ERA? ERA?

Please tell me how Stroman is better than a number 3.

 

[ChampsSince67]

Also you guys act like being a good number 3 is a bad thing. It's not. He's just not an ace that leads you to a title.

 

[metafour]

He's just not an ace that leads you to a title.

No "ace" leads you to a title. This is a team sport. Did Halladay lead us to a title? Did Chris Sale lead the White Sox to a title?

 

[SDig14]

Also you guys act like being a good number 3 is a bad thing. It's not. He's just not an ace that leads you to a title.

Why does it have to be an elite ace or a #3? Pretty vast gap between those 2 things.

Why can't he just be a really good #2 on a winning team or a lower-end #1?

 

[Loosie]

Lol I know how to evaluate pitchers quite well. His 3.71 FIP is considered average. The K's per 9 are nothing special.

I'm just saying, Stroman is a future number 3.

He's not a strikeout pitcher though, and you don't need to be a strikeout pitcher to be considered 'elite' it's not all about throwing heat.

 

[ChampsSince67]

No "ace" leads you to a title. This is a team sport. Did Halladay lead us to a title? Did Chris Sale lead the White Sox to a title?

thanks. did you also notice the lack of pitching depth those teams had?

If Stroman is your number one, in no way do you have the depth for a title.

 

[ChampsSince67]

Why does it have to be an elite ace or a #3? Pretty vast gap between those 2 things.

Why can't he just be a really good #2?

A good number 2 is pushing it imo.

 

[AllDay28]

18th in WAR = #3 starter. gotcha
#6 in xFIP.. thats considered "average"
21st in FIP .. #3 in a 7 team league

 

[ChampsSince67]

18th in WAR = #3 starter. gotcha

til I learned WAR is the be all end all stat.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Lol I know how to evaluate pitchers quite well. His 3.71 FIP is considered average. The K's per 9 are nothing special.

I'm just saying, Stroman is a future number 3.

I'd love to be average if it meant being ranked 21st in baseball

Must only be 20 #1's and #2's in baseball

 

[AllDay28]

TIL #21 in FIP = "considered average"

 

[ChampsSince67]

I know multiple Jays fans (who have been watching before 2015) from baseball forums I post on.

Majority have Stroman as the future number 3.

Also y'all need to trade Donaldson during his peak. My unpopular opinion.

 

[AllDay28]

take your L with grace

also I've been watching/playing baseball since I was 6. I'm 30 today (cheap plug). Does my opinion count or no? Big enough sample size?

 

[ChampsSince67]

TIL #21 in FIP = "considered average"

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/

 

[Leaftors]

I'd love to be average if it meant being ranked 21st in baseball

Must only be 20 #1's and #2's in baseball

" i know how to evaluate pitchers quite well"

 

[ChampsSince67]

take your L with grace

lmfao alright buddy. remember this when stroman is never an ace.

 

[Mitchy]

Lol I know how to evaluate pitchers quite well. His 3.71 FIP is considered average. The K's per 9 are nothing special.

I'm just saying, Stroman is a future number 3.

Tell me, where did that 3.71 FIP rank in the majors?

 

[ChampsSince67]

" i know how to evaluate pitchers quite well"

lmfao baseball fan since 2015?

want me to get into how hard stroman gets hit on exit velocity?

 

[King Mapes]

Please tell me how Stroman has been anything above a number 3, outside of the four game sample size at the end of 2015? You want your #1 putting up an ERA in the 4s/mid to high 3s? I wouldn't. Maybe he is a number one on a non-contendor. Stroman doesn't get you a title.

If Shapiro and co called up offering Stroman for Correa, I can tell you the Astros would be blocking their numbers. Stroman isn't in an elite tier with Goldschmidt, Correa, etc.

I agree, if we ask Correa we are out to lunch. Best SS out there not even taking age into consideration. But his ceiling is a 3? What? I'd say his ceiling is a number 1 but likely will be a very good number 2, while Sanchez could be elite.

 

[ChampsSince67]

Tell me, where did that 3.71 FIP rank in the majors?

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fip/

 

[phillipmike]

lol come on. stroman doesn't even sniff you anyone on this list.

Stroman will never be a number one. His ceiling is a good #3 imo.

I agree Stroman may not get you any of those guys but at the same time i dont see the Jays looking to move a controllable pitcher for a position player.

And Stroman is at the very least a #2 so i dont know what you are talking about.

Marcus Stroman rankings (2016) - [Last 3 years rank]:

Pitcher WAR (18th) - [42nd]
xFIP (6th) - [18th]
FIP (21st) - [24th]
SIERA (15th) - [19th]
K-BB% (41st) - [47th]

He is in the top 30 in all categories except k-bb%. At worse he is a number 2 as it stands.