Off-season discussion

[Bourne Endeavor]

I doubt McArthur went through a 2 month slump where he put up 2 points.

But you know who did go on a 22 game slump? Desharnais. I don't recall his minutes ever being reduced.

 

[Mathletic]

damn. that was a long, awkward pause. I hope he didn't just sign his ticket out of here

I don't think it's anything new for Habs' management. I can remember when Eller started out in the league Danny Dubé reported that Eller always saw himself as an offensive player and was unhappy with his role on the team already back then and never hid his discontent.

 

[Analyzer*]

Instead of the PVR, check NHL.com

Here is where we ranked in the different categories:

Shots against/game - 21st (30.1)
Shots for per game - 25th (28.5)
Goals against average - 1st (2.24)
Goals/GP - 20th (2.61)

If you didn't watch the games, you would think we were getting by almost purely on goaltending. Now why this isn't completely true, it's not as far off as you're trying to make it look.

Now here is 2011-2012 (since you brought it up):

Shots against/game - 12th (29.7)
Shots for per game - 19th (28.5)
Goals against average - 8th (2.61)
Goals/GP - 19th (2.52)

Looks eerily similar with the exception of 1 stat if you ask me.

This is what I've been posting for 2 months now when people say Therrien and Bergevin "turned" this team around.

It's ********.

Bergevin is failing and Therrien is a massive failure.

 

[waffledave]

But you know who did go on a 22 game slump? Desharnais. I don't recall his minutes ever being reduced.

And 3 points in the first 20 games last season... with prime time the entire way.

 

[Lebowski]

But you know who did go on a 22 game slump? Desharnais. I don't recall his minutes ever being reduced.

That's still the most nonsensical, double standard ******** I've seen from a Montréal coach since... You'd have to go back pretty far.

A coach needs to be fair above everything else.

 

[Habsawce]

Michel Therrien doesn't coach to win the Stanley Cup, he coaches to keep his job and a steady paycheque. It's plainly obvious. He cannot, or refuses to adapt to the way the game is played now.

Look at the teams remaining in the playoffs. How many of them play the style he wants his team to play?

 

[Agalloch]

I don't think it's anything new for Habs' management. I can remember when Eller started out in the league Danny Dubé reported that Eller always saw himself as an offensive player and was unhappy with his role on the team already back then and never hid his discontent.

Eller is Jan Bulis v.2

 

[Dannyhab]

I'm truly glad majority of this board finally sees what I and other have said since day 1 of MT's tenure.

Some of them had it with him after 10 games, others took longer. Pacioretty for his comments should honestly never wear this jersey again (including his ballerina performances in the playoffs).

What comments??

 

[Analyzer*]

That's still the most nonsensical, double standard ******** I've seen from a Montréal coach since... You'd have to go back pretty far.

A coach needs to be fair above everything else.

What about Martin with Gomez ?

Gave him all sorts of time to get going, but if Eller made a mistake he was benched.

 

[Agalloch]

Michel Therrien doesn't coach to win the Stanley Cup, he coaches to keep his job and a steady paycheque. It's plainly obvious. He cannot, or refuses to adapt to the way the game is played now.

Look at the teams remaining in the playoffs. How many of them play the style he wants his team to play?

NY Rangers ?

 

[Lorty]

There's not really a choice to be made between Desharnais and Plekanec. It's Desharnais that needs to go, and it should be clear as day for Bergevin.

The question is, does Therrien have enough influence to get Eller off the team instead.

Well, of course... but sadly, Desharnais has no value and we need a top 6 RW ASAP. Who will take Desharnais anyway? Not only he's an average regular season player, but he's non-existent in the playoffs.


As much as I want him gone, it's pretty clear they won't ship him. In terms of value : Eller > Plekanec > Desharnais.

 

[Habsawce]

NY Rangers ?

No they don't. They play with speed, it was Washington that slowed that series down and made it a grind. And guess what? The speed won in the end.

 

[Habsawce]

Well, of course... but sadly, Desharnais has no value and we need a top 6 RW ASAP. Who will take Desharnais anyway? Not only he's an average regular season player, but he's non-existent in the playoffs.


As much as I want him gone, it's pretty clear they won't ship him. In terms of value : Eller > Plekanec > Desharnais.

Put him in the minors and save 925k on his 3.5. It's not perfect, but it takes him away from Therrien.

 

[Monctonscout]

But you know who did go on a 22 game slump? Desharnais. I don't recall his minutes ever being reduced.

Right because being in the press box for 2 games and on the 4th line for 3 wasn't a reduction of his minutes...your memory can't be very good.

Must be my imagination that he had 4 or 5 games under 15 minutes.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/5082/year/2014/david-desharnais

Meanwhile Eller this year...

Eller had 3 points and -9 in 28 games to start 2015 and in that stretch he had 11 gamers over 17:00 per game

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/3946/lars-eller

...but yeah, he hates Eller and loves Desharnais.

 

[Nynja*]

Michel Therrien doesn't coach to win the Stanley Cup, he coaches to keep his job and a steady paycheque. It's plainly obvious. He cannot, or refuses to adapt to the way the game is played now.

Look at the teams remaining in the playoffs. How many of them play the style he wants his team to play?

Hes already got the contract tho lol, hes gettin the money regardless.

 

[Kriss E]

What about Martin with Gomez ?

Gave him all sorts of time to get going, but if Eller made a mistake he was benched.

Eller was a rookie and sophomore. You expect that much. But, even in his sophomore year, Martin was increasing Eller's minutes and responsibilities. Just normal progression.
Therrien was still benching Subban the year he won the Norris.

 

[Lorty]

Put him in the minors and save 925k on his 3.5. It's not perfect, but it takes him away from Therrien.

But then we still don't have that missing piece in the top 6, and if Eller is traded, then we're missing a center.


A top 6 winger isn't going to come out of nowhere. It WILL be expensive, and our AHL players are far from ready to take a top 6 role all season long unless we are extremely lucky.

 

[Ezpz]

Pretty funny for a guy with scout in his name you don't understand that usage matters more than time on ice.

 

[Agalloch]

Lars Eller thinks is an offensive player but he's not. BUT, I hope we keep him because he's good on the 3rd line center. I would trade Eller when De La Rose is ready to take his place.

 

[Monctonscout]

This is what I've been posting for 2 months now when people say Therrien and Bergevin "turned" this team around.

It's ********.

Bergevin is failing and Therrien is a massive failure.

Yup bring back Cunneyworth and Gauthier...

 

[Habsawce]

But then we still don't have that missing piece in the top 6, and if Eller is traded, then we're missing a center.


A top 6 winger isn't going to come out of nowhere. It WILL be expensive, and our AHL players are far from ready to take a top 6 role all season long unless we are extremely lucky.

Centres are more important than wingers at this point. This team barely has any top 6 players and 1 top 3 player right now. Worry about the centre position, and fill in wingers how you can.

Depth AT THE WORST next season should be:

Galchenyuk
Eller
Plekanec

 

[Lebowski]

Well, of course... but sadly, Desharnais has no value and we need a top 6 RW ASAP. Who will take Desharnais anyway? Not only he's an average regular season player, but he's non-existent in the playoffs.


As much as I want him gone, it's pretty clear they won't ship him. In terms of value : Eller > Plekanec > Desharnais.

I don't care about our wingers. It's not like we can afford wasting assets down the middle either. Centers are more important, and I want the team to roll it's three best assets down the middle going forward. Galchenyuk/Eller/Plekanec.

Desharnais has no value because he's worthless. Obvious, I know, but why would we keep a worthless player on our roster?

 

[Monctonscout]

Pretty funny for a guy with scout in his name you don't understand that usage matters more than time on ice.

Meaning what?

 

[Ezpz]

Lars Eller thinks is an offensive player but he's not. BUT, I hope we keep him because he's good on the 3rd line center. I would trade Eller when De La Rose is ready to take his place.

DLR is never going to be a 30 point player in the NHL. He's got zero hockey IQ in the offensive zone. I don't think he even has what it takes to play center. Non-fighting Travis Moen. If we're really lucky he turns into poor mans Jannik Hansen.

 

[Hullois]

Where did you hear that MT won't be facing the media?

Would be ridiculous if he doesn't.