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Brock Boeser Laser Show said:
They want term and money but they aren't the kind of players you want to hand out long term contracts to.

Maybe if Bellinger has another strong year he can command a big contract but those bad years are still fresh in the minds of GM's

Chapman is a seriously flawed. The defense will drop off eventually and that is where most of his value lies. If you strike out 30%
Of at bats you better bring some power and injuries seem to have zapped the power that Chapman once had.
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The defence is arguably already dropping off. He was just so good there previously that he had room to drop off and still be very effective. But there is no reason to think he won’t continue to decline
 
Someone will eventually blink and overpay these Boras clients, Bellinger, Chapman, Montgomery & Snell.

They will wait it out until there's an injury in spring training, which almost always happens to some team.
 
Jays lost 2-0 to the Twins - final game of the season.

Hard to see where we’ve improved our offence in the off season.

We need to move some infielders or pitching for a legit HR threat.

You basically need HR to advance in the American League playoffs
 
I don't think we want Chapman, last offseason it was about retooling the defense from a weakness to a strength, this offseason we really cut down on strikeouts and got players who put the ball on play way more often. I feel like that alone is going to squeeze more offense especially when we have runners on.
 
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Ale Brew said:
Not really. Not on a big contract that impacts what we can do down the road. I’d be happy to take him on a year deal though as I think he makes us better than we are today.

Would prefer Bellinger.
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Bellinger would be great.

And even though it won't happen, I'd also be happy with J.D Martinez for DH and Turner taking 60-80 % of 3B at bats.
 
red devil said:
So we've been pronouncing Ryu's name incorrectly the whole time since he started in the majors

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I don't think it's that simple. I imagine that this is an issue of Korean, probably not unlike Japanese, lacking distinctive L and R phonemes. "Lew" is probably as wrong as "Ryu" because the actual sound is something that is not easily pronounceable for English speakers and because the proper sound itself is some sort of hybrid sound that is neither an L or an R and a softer y in the middle.

And if we want to get pedantic about it, I imagine that almost every surname or even given name in existence around the world is pronounced incorrectly to some degree just thanks to generations of linguistic drift, translation conventions, migration, and other factors. Like, it's easy to think "well, English names of historical importance are probably correct for modern English speakers because it's still English" but have you ever actually seen what middle English looks like? It's not totally indecipherable but it looks incredibly trippy compared to what we expect out of modern grammar and English structure and was pronounced vastly differently too (for instance "knight" was pronounced to include the "k" sound and the "gh" sound (which didn't sound like an "f" as a lot of modern gh words such as "enough" to).

tl;dr, language is screwy and while we were probably pronouncing it wrong the reality is that for a lot of people it would be borderline impossible to pronounce correctly. You literally lose the ability to properly hear and pronounce certain sounds not native to the languages you are primarily exposed to as early as 6 months old and into the beginning stages of learning to talk. Your brain starts being unable to detect differences and the physical attributes of your vocal cords and speech muscles work themselves to the point that they are actually unable to properly make the sounds.
 
The Nemesis said:
I don't think it's that simple. I imagine that this is an issue of Korean, probably not unlike Japanese, lacking distinctive L and R phonemes. "Lew" is probably as wrong as "Ryu" because the actual sound is something that is not easily pronounceable for English speakers and because the proper sound itself is some sort of hybrid sound that is neither an L or an R and a softer y in the middle.

And if we want to get pedantic about it, I imagine that almost every surname or even given name in existence around the world is pronounced incorrectly to some degree just thanks to generations of linguistic drift, translation conventions, migration, and other factors. Like, it's easy to think "well, English names of historical importance are probably correct for modern English speakers because it's still English" but have you ever actually seen what middle English looks like? It's not totally indecipherable but it looks incredibly trippy compared to what we expect out of modern grammar and English structure and was pronounced vastly differently too (for instance "knight" was pronounced to include the "k" sound and the "gh" sound (which didn't sound like an "f" as a lot of modern gh words such as "enough" to).

tl;dr, language is screwy and while we were probably pronouncing it wrong the reality is that for a lot of people it would be borderline impossible to pronounce correctly. You literally lose the ability to properly hear and pronounce certain sounds not native to the languages you are primarily exposed to as early as 6 months old and into the beginning stages of learning to talk. Your brain starts being unable to detect differences and the physical attributes of your vocal cords and speech muscles work themselves to the point that they are actually unable to properly make the sounds.
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The Nemesis said:
I don't think it's that simple. I imagine that this is an issue of Korean, probably not unlike Japanese, lacking distinctive L and R phonemes. "Lew" is probably as wrong as "Ryu" because the actual sound is something that is not easily pronounceable for English speakers and because the proper sound itself is some sort of hybrid sound that is neither an L or an R and a softer y in the middle.

And if we want to get pedantic about it, I imagine that almost every surname or even given name in existence around the world is pronounced incorrectly to some degree just thanks to generations of linguistic drift, translation conventions, migration, and other factors. Like, it's easy to think "well, English names of historical importance are probably correct for modern English speakers because it's still English" but have you ever actually seen what middle English looks like? It's not totally indecipherable but it looks incredibly trippy compared to what we expect out of modern grammar and English structure and was pronounced vastly differently too (for instance "knight" was pronounced to include the "k" sound and the "gh" sound (which didn't sound like an "f" as a lot of modern gh words such as "enough" to).

tl;dr, language is screwy and while we were probably pronouncing it wrong the reality is that for a lot of people it would be borderline impossible to pronounce correctly. You literally lose the ability to properly hear and pronounce certain sounds not native to the languages you are primarily exposed to as early as 6 months old and into the beginning stages of learning to talk. Your brain starts being unable to detect differences and the physical attributes of your vocal cords and speech muscles work themselves to the point that they are actually unable to properly make the sounds.
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You should see Old English. It makes Middle English look modern.
 
Bjindaho said:
You should see Old English. It makes Middle English look modern.
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Oh no doubt. Besides the fact that English is the language that decided, more than most others around the world, rules are for chumps and "I takes what I wants" and populated itself with a mish-mash of concepts from every other language family in the area, almost every language evolves in ways that makes it go from "this is perfectly reasonable" to "what is this heathen moon-rune nonsense?" when you start looking back over a few centuries.
 
Puckstuff said:
Do you want him?

I feel like we could squeeze 2-3 WAR out of Turner, IKF, Martinez and Biggio at third.

Chapman is probably 1 WAR better but I'd only want him on a cheap 1 year deal.
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I don’t want him back. One year show me deal maybe but I’d prefer to just move forward and see what we have
 
dredeye said:
I don’t want him back. One year show me deal maybe but I’d prefer to just move forward and see what we have
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For me it also depends on how they plan on using IKF and Turner.

If they plan on using IKF as the every day 3B and Turner as a primary DH, I want Chapman a little more.

If they are open to using Turner at 3B about 50 % of the time and then using Orelvis Martinez in the second half (or whatever AAA guy steps up) then I’d prefer we go with the trio of options over Chapman.

If John Schneider ends up putting IKF at third every single day for better defence, that is going to be quite painful and this makes me want Chapman.
 
Epictetus said:
Still don't see the need for both IKF and Espinal.
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There isn’t one. We have way too many middle infielders that aren’t much better or worse than the other. I’m hoping once sprint gets going a market creates itself for Espinal. I’m not too worried about the return. A lottery pick works for me
 
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Ryu signed an 8 year deal. But only for about 14 million total. No idea how many games they play though
 
I’d be ok with both departing.
I think if they start slow Schneider gets canned. If they don’t turn it around, I imagine Ross being replaced in the offseason.
 
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