Mosby
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He didn't come all the way to the desert to make rash deals.
If I was him I'd be using that phrasing for everything.
I didn't come all the way to the desert to have eggs for breakfast.
OEL On the Move? Part 2
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He didn't come all the way to the desert to make rash deals.
If I was him I'd be using that phrasing for everything.
I didn't come all the way to the desert to have eggs for breakfast.
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He's got Benning hooked, imo. He knows that he's got a unique opportunity to add a top pair D and actually shed cap. He's just running scenarios through his head trying to sort it all out. He's excited about OEL, and he's going to talk himself into meeting the price. Armstrong doesn't have to do anything, but wait.
Benning is the guy at the dealership trying to trade in a clunker that barely runs with all the engine lights on. BA is offering to take the clunker and put him in a gently used BMW at a lower payment. At the end of the day, Benning won't care if he's hooked into a nine-year loan with 12% interest. He only cares about the chance to turn a clunker into a BMW and lower his payment.
Benning is the guy at the dealership trying to trade in a clunker that barely runs with all the engine lights on. BA is offering to take the clunker and put him in a gently used BMW at a lower payment. At the end of the day, Benning won't care if he's hooked into a nine-year loan with 12% interest. He only cares about the chance to turn a clunker into a BMW and lower his payment.
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DOTS13
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The only other advantage for Benning is knowing that he's only one of two dealerships in town at the moment. However, I think the longer this drags on, the more likely dealerships will pop-up as accepting trades.
Once Sweeney fails to come to terms with Krug and turn his attention to OEL... what will Benning do?
He'll be staring down the barrel of all those bad contracts, realizing that his teams run upped expectations significantly, even if that's not fair.
Trade for OEL and get Markstrom signed, maybe even create space for Toffoli in the process, or keep your draft pokemon.
Just as a fan of hockey, it's a pretty bizarre dynamic and I'm curious to see what wins out. If there were 10 teams on the list there's no way Vancouver's garbage-strapped offer even gets considered unless they pay a super premium.
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OEL is more of a Saab I would think.
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I really don't think they have a problem with telling OEL they couldn't get a deal done, and maybe they'll try again in the summer or at the deadline if he wants. OEL doesn't have to do agree to anything, but I don't think they are concerned about being "stuck" with him either. It's a business. He's a prime trade chip who can jumpstart a rebuild. If they can't find the right deal he stays. It doesn't sound like OEL is super excited about leaving anyway. They can all be grownups.
I think BA and Meruelo are the type to let him rot rather than take a bath and set a bad precedent. BA can set the tone with all future players with OEL.
They'll just shuffle Schmaltz off if it comes to that.
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We've got a ton of cap space next year, and nearly as much budget room (assuming another ~70M budget). They need a couple D locked up (extensions, trade, or FA), and to fill out the bottom six. Plenty of cap and cash to do that. There are ways to trim 10M if that's the "only thing they care about" that don't include spending $5M on a fourth line at best player and losing your top pairing D. I'm sure they'd love to get some nice assets back, and prune the contract, but I don't think the contract is going to be the dominant concern.
If the goal for trading Ollie is A) get nice assets, B) trim salary commitment next year there's no point in making any deal that doesn't accomplish both. If it only "saves money" three or four years from now, and doesn't include nice assets, there is zero urgency to finding a deal that does both.
If the goal for trading Ollie is A) get nice assets, B) trim salary commitment next year there's no point in making any deal that doesn't accomplish both. If it only "saves money" three or four years from now, and doesn't include nice assets, there is zero urgency to finding a deal that does both.
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There are things I'd rather have than DeBrusk, and they are things Boston would rather give up. So I sort of doubt it's that.
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All the talk about Benning grinding hard trying to figure out the numbers is not an impassive buyer waiting for an opportunity to fall into his lap for free no matter how bad Vancouver fans want him to be. He wants it. He wants it bad. He just has to talk himself into paying the price. BA just has to sit and wait. They'll convince themselves they can make it work within the big picture.
I think they fire Tocchet first and then surround OEL with better quality vets where possible.
Benning has problems to solve. Toffoli, Leivo, Markstrom, ERIKSSON, Virtanen. The talk is now that Benning is looking to aquire a 2nd round pick from somewhere (to help him with a trade/contract dump?)
DOTS13
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Anytime I try to give Tocchet some benefit of doubt in my mind I have a flashback of the game against Minnesota got injured. Seven (7!) goals given up in two periods and doesn't pull him. Shame.
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No. If we can't get what we want out of a trade, you just kiss and make up. If it helps push Tocc out, even better
Didn't even call a timeout from what I remember. Could be wrong.
"please stop being bad" is his way of gently asking the Coyotes to improve.
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I don't understand the "Why wouldn't they just sign Krug" comments. Why wouldn't they? Because Krug thrives as a sheltered offensive D getting his points on the PP. He's a great player. But he'd get caved in with OEL's assignments. And for all the talk about OEL's terrible contract, he's asking for almost as much at the same age. OEL on the left with Carlo can eat a lot heavier minutes than Krug and Carlo. Which takes heat off of McAvoy's pairing. Sort of like how Yandle feasted on easier minutes created by OEL being a horse.
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I think they are okay with bringing him back. He's just asking crazy money. He isn't the guy you give 7+M and term to. He and his camp think they'll get big bucks somewhere. Teams love overpaying defensemen, so maybe they will. But 7+ for a guy who can't be leaned on isn't a solid plan.
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Feeling more and more like OEL stays, as Elliotte seems to have indicated both teams have made their final offer(s). I’m cool with OEL staying if it forces a decision on who stays and who goes (Tocchet.)
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