OEL is very over rated on HF Boards.

[Shepard]

If you're going to base your argument largely on +/-, it's worth noting that he started the season pretty badly and got to -11 quickly (IIRC it was -11, but either way his +/- was definitely not pretty). He's been playing much better since then and has kept his +/- pretty stable.

I also feel it's worth pointing out that as a 19 year old he was our top defenseman in the playoffs when they made the WCF.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Agree 100%.


Definitely overrated.

 

[Party Kane]

Coyotes fans think he's worth more than Seguin, Benn, Hall, Duchene, Mackinnon. Hilariously overrated, he's an ok #1 Dman, elite #2 like Seabrook.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Let me guess, you'll also say Doughty is overrated as all hell because he hasn't put up that many points this season as well, is that right?

Yes, The Cryotes suck this season and the Kings are lackluster and all the post seasons games they've played, but you can't pin that on both Doughty or OEL.

Truth be told, players like Doughty and OEL control the flow of the game for their respective teams, eat a lot minutes, and are the anchors at the back end. They are players to build around.

No actually I think Doughty is the best dman in the NHL. Doughty, unlike OEL, makes up for not scoring 50-60 points by being a rock on defense capable of playing 25+ minutes of shutdown time and physically dominate the game. He also puts 30+ points a season.

Apparently if I think one player is over rated then that means I think every good player is. Funny how OEL's stats don't beat any of the high end dman, and if they are similar, those guys are miles better on defense.

OEL fits into the top pairing - #5 dman slot.

 

[King In The North]

Wasn't this derived from some far off trade offer to get OEL from the Leafs?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

No actually I think Doughty is the best dman in the NHL. Doughty, unlike OEL, makes up for not scoring 50-60 points by being a rock on defense capable of playing 25+ minutes of shutdown time and physically dominate the game. He also puts 30+ points a season.

Apparently if I think one player is over rated then that means I think every good player is. Funny how OEL's stats don't beat any of the high end dman, and if they are similar, those guys are miles better on defense.

OEL fits into the top pairing - #5 dman slot.

As the #5? You are laughably wrong. And I think it's intentional.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

As the #5? You are laughably wrong. And I think it's intentional.

I really want to visit his parallel universe.

 

[chronobeej]

OEL has been playing a lot better over the past couple of months.

At the beginning of the season he wasn't playing good at all.
His first 24 games he had 10 points and was -15.
However his last 24 games he has 13 points and is +3.

He is not be an elite defenseman right now but over the last 2 months he has been solid for a terrible team.

 

[Machinehead]

I remember less than 15 months ago a poll between OEL and McDonagh where OEL was the consensus pick.

 

[TT1]

I remember less than 15 months ago a poll between OEL and McDonagh where OEL was the consensus pick.

i remember 2 days ago ppl were saying that Lundqvist was easily > Price RIGHT NOW, things can change extremely fast on HF..

 

[XX]

Wasn't this derived from some far off trade offer to get OEL from the Leafs?

Yeah, like a lover scorned, some people feel the need to make these threads in response to fans that aren't super excited to trade away a player they like.

 

[Machinehead]

i remember 2 days ago ppl saying that Lundqvist was easily > Price RIGHT NOW, things can change extremely fast on HF..

I don't think anything changed on the Lundqvist front being that everyone was taking him for his playoff numbers.

 

[Atoyot]

I welcome anyone who can give proof/something measurable to disprove what I have said in the OP.

Well, comparing Franson's output to his isn't taking into account that the Leafs have scored 33 more goals than Arizona and +/- is kind of pointless considering that the Leafs goal differential is -11 while Arizona's is -50. Actually even when you don't consider that it's pointless because Ekman-Larsson plays against top players while Franson is sheltered. What it really comes down to is that +/- is a meaningless statistic.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Let me guess, you'll also say Doughty is overrated as all hell because he hasn't put up that many points this season as well, is that right?

Yes, The Cryotes suck this season and the Kings are lackluster and all the post seasons games they've played, but you can't pin that on both Doughty or OEL.

Truth be told, players like Doughty and OEL control the flow of the game for their respective teams, eat a lot minutes, and are the anchors at the back end. They are players to build around.

OEL is good but shouldn't even be mentioned with players like Doughty.

 

[TT1]

I don't think anything changed on the Lundqvist front being that everyone was taking him for his playoff numbers.

and is Rinne the consensus "#1 goalie" on HF because of his playoff numbers aswell? the double standards on this site are ridiculous.

 

[Machinehead]

and is Rinne the consensus "#1 goalie" on HF because of his playoff numbers aswell? the double standards on this site are ridiculous.

When did Rinne become the consensus #1 goalie? Lundqvist won that poll.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1728833&highlight=top+goaltenders

 

[ponder]

(This is not a leaf thread, in my example I use a FEW leaf players as I know them best, but also compare other players in the league as well, so please don't flame me as a leaf fan).

Apparently OEL is an elite #1 dman according to this board..

Right now he has 23 points in 48 games on pace for 39 points and a -12 on pace for -20.

So a 39 point, -20 dman is elite?

Just for comparison..

Cody Franson has 25 points in 48 and is -6, on pace for just over 40 points and a better +/- and an equally terrible team.

Justin Faulk has 28 in 47 on pace for 48 points and a much better +/- on a worse team.

Other guys with similar or better production to him..

Markov
Krug
Boychuk

Hell, even Dion Phaneuf who some call not even a top pairing D has 1 less point and is only a -4.

OEL is so over rated it's not funny. He doesn't bring D, and is average O. His skating ability makes him over rated. Those who call him a #1 now, are Franson, Phaneuf, Faulk, and Krug number 1's now?

Oh lets despell some myths I know I'll get...


But he is Young!

Age 23. Not like he is an 18 year old. His age adds value, but lets not act like every player magically becomes elite if he isn't close before.

He plays on a bad team!

Yup, so do Faulk and the leaf players. They still put up similar offensive numbers, and Arizona is a much better defensive team than both of those clubs, yet their players have better +/-.

Also Yandle has managed to put up 30+ points on the same team, yet isn't called an elite #1.

I also assume some people will dismiss this because I used +/-, my answer for them is that any stat shouldn't count unless it is assists and goals then. Even things like Corsi you can use the same arguments people use against +/-.

Drew Doughty has 29 points in 48 games, and is +3, but on a much better team than Franson. So, in a vacuum, pretty equally impressive points and +/- stats. Does this mean Franson is about as good as Doughty? Of course not. You simply cannot judge a dman by points and +/- alone, you have to actually watch them play.

Doughty, like OEL, quite simply controls the game, and has an obvious, extremely positive while on the ice. Franson does not. There are waiver-worthy dmen putting up similar stats to franchise defenders who anchor teams and get paid $7+ mil per year, the impact of a great dman is very hard to quantify, and definitely cannot be done with points and +/- alone.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Drew Doughty has 29 points in 48 games, and is +3, but on a much better team than Franson. So, in a vacuum, pretty equally impressive points and +/- stats. Does this mean Franson is about as good as Doughty? Of course not. You simply cannot judge a dman by points and +/- alone, you have to actually watch them play.

Doughty, like OEL, quite simply controls the game, and has an obvious, extremely positive while on the ice. Franson does not. There are waiver-worthy dmen putting up similar stats to franchise defenders who anchor teams and get paid $7+ mil per year, the impact of a great dman is very hard to quantify, and definitely cannot be done with points and +/- alone.

Should be /thread but it won't be

 

[Classicnamesup]

#5 hahahaha. HFB never fails to impress

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...OEL is easily in the Top 20 for Dmen in the entire League, has been for some time, and is 23...the only Dman mentioned in this thread that's being ridiculously overrated by the select few usual suspects is Cody Franson, who apparently is now a Top Pairing Dman, yet Leaf fans can't wait to trade him before the deadline...

 

[TT1]

When did Rinne become the consensus #1 goalie? Lundqvist won that poll.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1728833&highlight=top+goaltenders

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1804863

Price has the same numbers as Rinne yet Rinne beats Hank in a poll and Price doesnt, Price also had MUCH better numbers than Rinne last season and he came off an excellent playoff run and Olympic performance. See the double standard? Can you imagine what the Carey vs Lundqvist poll would look like minus all the habs fans votes?

 

[Habsawce]

The only thing this thread is missing now is a Subban vs. Karlsson screaming match.

 

[Machinehead]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1804863

Well I don't want to derail the thread, so this is it from me, but that poll is tied, sir. That's literally the opposite of consensus.

It's goaltending. Every year there's a new best goaltender on HF. Don't take it personally.

 

[TT1]

Well I don't want to derail the thread, so this is it from me, but that poll is tied, sir. That's literally the opposite of consensus.

It's goaltending. Every year there's a new best goaltender on HF. Don't take it personally.

yup, anywho.. sorry about the derail boys!
its just that i dislike it when HF starts spreading misinformation about players, like in this thread for example.. mob mentality unfortunately.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

The only thing this thread is missing now is a Subban vs. Karlsson screaming match.

Karlsson is better

But seriously OEL is a top 20 dman and the OP is quite misinformed and probably doesn't watch any Arizona Coyotes games. Great young defensemen potential can I date for the Norris in a few years once the team is better because top defensemen on bad teams tend to not get votes.

OP and fellow OEL haters. Please watch him play and tell me he us a #5

Because if he is a #5 and would be the Pens 2nd best defensemen I don't want to know what quality are other defensemen are.