Oakland Athletics relocation to Las Vegas thread: Move to Vegas approved by MLB owners - Will play in Sacramento for 3-4 years

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Agree. On the Oakland side of this, but disparaging Vegas fans based on 5 seconds worth of footage of a few dozen fans is stupid.

At least it’s not indirect and cowardly.

 

[Terry Yake]

i'll just choose to remember last night as my final Oakland A's memory

 

[IU Hawks fan]

At least it’s not indirect and cowardly.

Cry about it.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Vegas-born Harper: A's relocation 'just not right'

Phillies teammates Bryce Harper and Bryson Stott, who both were born in Las Vegas, said that the Athletics should remain in Oakland and that their hometown would be better served by an MLB expansion franchise.

www.espn.com

Oh look, a couple of Vegas residents (and baseball players) who stupidly think the A’s won’t have much local fandom in Vegas compared to their current home. What idiots!

But obviously they don’t know as much as a rando White Sox fan does.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Vegas-born Harper: A's relocation 'just not right'

Phillies teammates Bryce Harper and Bryson Stott, who both were born in Las Vegas, said that the Athletics should remain in Oakland and that their hometown would be better served by an MLB expansion franchise.

www.espn.com

Oh look, a couple of Vegas residents (and baseball players) who stupidly think the A’s won’t have much local fandom in Vegas compared to their current home. What idiots!

But obviously they don’t know as much as a rando White Sox fan does.

LOL, I've said for months I think Vegas is a bad idea. Baseball there makes zero sense at all.

That has nothing to do with a 5 second clip of a dozen Knights fans. I went to a Knights game in December, the passion is there.

 

[Terry Yake]

this guy needs to be run over by a bus

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Hey remember when baseball fans thought it couldn't be worse than Selig? Fun times...

 

[MMC]

 

[NewMuzu24]

Manfred makes me so angry that I’d happily be Gary Bettman’s small spoon.

 

[John Price]

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Why ex-Marlins exec confidently claims A's won't move to Vegas

Former Miami Marlins president David Samson went into detail as to why he doesn’t believe the Athletics will relocate from Oakland to Las Vegas.

www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

Some pretty interesting quotes from the former president of the Marlins who had 16 years of experience and was instrumental in getting a new stadium in Miami.

“ I want to give you one thing to think about, and we can make this two segments or zero segments. There is no ballpark that can fit on nine acres of land that has a retractable roof. That's the start and the end of this discussion," Samson said on "The Dan Lebatard Show,"which was published Thursday morning. "But if you want to keep going, there's no approval by baseball to relocate, there's no financial plan of what the A's would be doing in Las Vegas for the owners to vote on, there's no TV deal, there's no set private financing for [A's owner] John Fisher for his portion of a stadium in Las Vegas.”

“All that happened is the framework of the public part of the public-private partnership for a stadium in Vegas. That's all this special session was. That's all the public money is. But it's step one of 50. And last night, the A's released a statement that I went into detail on 'Nothing Personal' today, but I'll sum it up now, a statement that merely said, 'When the governor signs this into law, that will be a good next step.' And that's all that is."

And this one:

“I think MLB needs Vegas as an expansion candidate and to waste them as a relocation is a real disservice to maximizing your expansion fee, and that's what owners are concerned about right now. That's why there wasn't a vote with the owners meetings that are going on in New York right now because there's nothing to vote on yet. Do I think eventually the A's move to Vegas? I'm still a no on that. And I'll be the last to hold out, and I'll come on the show to admit that I was wrong, but there's nothing that tells me that a deal to Vegas is anywhere near complete."

 

[ORRFForever]

Poor Oakland.

 

[KevFu]

Manfred is a clown with zero PR skills and is just so far detached from reality that he's going to destroy baseball if the other owners don't keep him in line.

He just has no clue what he's doing in the PR perception game, and this yet another MAJOR PR disaster for MLB.

You're already ripping their team away from them, there's no reason to be a snotty jerk while doing it.

The Minor League reorganization is the other blatant example of terrible PR. Even if you agree that the A's need to get into a new stadium ASAP, or that the minor leagues were a discombobulated mess and need reorganization/shrinking... he handled both like a tone-deaf moron and pissing off massive swaths of baseball fans for no reason other than his own stupidity.

 

[GKJ]

Rebecca Black is good actually

 

[BlueSeal]

Manfred is a clown with zero PR skills and is just so far detached from reality that he's going to destroy baseball if the other owners don't keep him in line.

He just has no clue what he's doing in the PR perception game, and this yet another MAJOR PR disaster for MLB.

You're already ripping their team away from them, there's no reason to be a snotty jerk while doing it.

The Minor League reorganization is the other blatant example of terrible PR. Even if you agree that the A's need to get into a new stadium ASAP, or that the minor leagues were a discombobulated mess and need reorganization/shrinking... he handled both like a tone-deaf moron and pissing off massive swaths of baseball fans for no reason other than his own stupidity.

While this is true, it’s also true that the City of Oakland has done everything they can to -not- get a new stadium and development deal rolling and have done absolutely nothing to keep the A’s in Oakland or leverage it to help bring much needed revenue to Oakland and they’ve done so since Haas was still alive.

The fanbase is tone deaf to this and simply blame the A’s for moving and not acknowledging that their owner sees the pattern from the last 30 years from multiple mayors with different owners who have researched every location to be blocked or denied or threatened to sue when Alameda County Board of Supervisors were ready to sell the A’s the coliseum property after the Warriors moved out and decided to break the cycle for the good of the franchise.

Time for the A’s to leave.

 

[Terry Yake]

While this is true, it’s also true that the City of Oakland has done everything they can to -not- get a new stadium and development deal rolling and have done absolutely nothing to keep the A’s in Oakland or leverage it to help bring much needed revenue to Oakland and they’ve done so since Haas was still alive.

The fanbase is tone deaf to this and simply blame the A’s for moving and not acknowledging that their owner sees the pattern from the last 30 years from multiple mayors with different owners who have researched every location to be blocked or denied or threatened to sue when Alameda County Board of Supervisors were ready to sell the A’s the coliseum property after the Warriors moved out and decided to break the cycle for the good of the franchise.

Time for the A’s to leave.

fisher demanded a 50 acre site with an entertainment/shopping district in oakland. he's since settled for a 9 acre site in the middle of the vegas strip. if he had been fine with the same deal in oakland, there would already be construction happening on a new ballpark there

staying in oakland was never an option for MLB/fisher. they have moved the goalposts on every potential oakland deal. just the fact that they're willing to cover hundreds of millions of dollars in vegas but 80 mil in oakland was too much says it all

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

fisher demanded a 50 acre site with an entertainment/shopping district in oakland. he's since settled for a 9 acre site in the middle of the vegas strip. if he had been fine with the same deal in oakland, there would already be construction happening on a new ballpark there

staying in oakland was never an option for MLB/fisher. they have moved the goalposts on every potential oakland deal. just the fact that they're willing to cover hundreds of millions of dollars in vegas but 80 mil in oakland was too much says it all

While I do totally agree that staying in Oakland was probably never a goal, you can't compare Vegas to Oakland in terms of the site. If your goal is to have a surrounding entertainment district around your stadium (as it should be in any sport to be honest), a 9-acre site works in Vegas because the entire city is nothing but an entertainment district. Raiders fans tailgate in casinos. It's wild. In pretty much every other city, you do need a 50-acre site.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

fisher demanded a 50 acre site with an entertainment/shopping district in oakland. he's since settled for a 9 acre site in the middle of the vegas strip. if he had been fine with the same deal in oakland, there would already be construction happening on a new ballpark there

staying in oakland was never an option for MLB/fisher. they have moved the goalposts on every potential oakland deal. just the fact that they're willing to cover hundreds of millions of dollars in vegas but 80 mil in oakland was too much says it all

IDK if being given 9 acres in on The Strip for free is "settling". Also, he only needs to build the stadium the hotel/entertainment district to attract fans isn't exactly a concern anymore.

 

[KevFu]

While this is true, it’s also true that the City of Oakland has done everything they can to -not- get a new stadium and development deal rolling and have done absolutely nothing to keep the A’s in Oakland or leverage it to help bring much needed revenue to Oakland and they’ve done so since Haas was still alive.

Yeah. It's ridiculous how bad Oakland screwed up in the 1990s. They should have just built two new stadiums in the Coliseum lot when the Raiders wanted to come back instead of spending more than that would cost to build Mount Davis. I just don't get how that "logic" worked for Oakland. $500m for Mount Davis when the Carolina NFL stadium and Cleveland MLB stadium built around the same time cost less combined.

The fanbase is tone deaf to this and simply blame the A’s for moving and not acknowledging that their owner sees the pattern from the last 30 years from multiple mayors with different owners who have researched every location to be blocked or denied or threatened to sue when Alameda County Board of Supervisors were ready to sell the A’s the coliseum property after the Warriors moved out and decided to break the cycle for the good of the franchise.

Time for the A’s to leave.

I think the fanbase DOES on some level "understand" that the team can't stay without a new stadium, and they've been saying that for at least 28 years...

But the ruthlessness and callousness of Fisher's regime makes for an easy target. You can say the right thing, and do all you can do to stay and still reluctantly leave because the City won't keep you.

Like the Penguins: Lemieux visited Kansas City to put pressure on Pittsburgh. He didn't raise ticket prices drastically after a firesale. He didn't run the team into the ground in order to get away.

 

[Terry Yake]

While I do totally agree that staying in Oakland was probably never a goal, you can't compare Vegas to Oakland in terms of the site. If your goal is to have a surrounding entertainment district around your stadium (as it should be in any sport to be honest), a 9-acre site works in Vegas because the entire city is nothing but an entertainment district. Raiders fans tailgate in casinos. It's wild. In pretty much every other city, you do need a 50-acre site.

the 9 acre vegas strip site wasn't even the original plan for vegas. the original plan was 50 acres and a surrounding entertainment district just like fisher wanted in oakland, first at the red rocks casino site and then the rio. they were told to f*** off by both. that's why they had to settle for the measly 9 acre site on the strip. oakland obviously isn't vegas in terms of entertainment, but a 9 acre ballpark in oakland would've meant a good chunk of land to build any entertainment/shopping district. but like i said, oakland was never an option for the A's or MLB

IDK if being given 9 acres in on The Strip for free is "settling". Also, he only needs to build the stadium the hotel/entertainment district to attract fans isn't exactly a concern anymore.

it absolutely is settling when you were originally wanting 50 acres AND for the public to pay for everything. instead, he's left with a 9 acre site and having to foot the bill for hundreds of millions of dollars

 

[BlueSeal]

While I do totally agree that staying in Oakland was probably never a goal, you can't compare Vegas to Oakland in terms of the site. If your goal is to have a surrounding entertainment district around your stadium (as it should be in any sport to be honest), a 9-acre site works in Vegas because the entire city is nothing but an entertainment district. Raiders fans tailgate in casinos. It's wild. In pretty much every other city, you do need a 50-acre site.

I don’t think Vegas is a good destination for the A’s for several reasons. I do know that Oakland is no longer a good home for the A’s and I grew up near Eastmont Mall in the 80’s and still live locally.

City Council does NOT care about the flatlanders, only the hills and not about sports or how sports revenue can bring in funds or revitalize areas of a city. They have pretty much always had their own agenda and it had nothing to do with making Oakland better, it had more to do with helping run property values into the ground so gentrifiers can come in, among other things.

If the A’s hadn’t been putting in efforts over the decades to get a stadium done, I’d consider the new owner abandoning Oakland. Thing is, he’s smart enough to look at the history, the lack of any tangible support from the city on any level and once he saw a way out, began moving that way. Oakland can’t even pay its teachers and yet the Port brings in billions. It’s just too much nonsense to deal with.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

“city hasn’t tried”

Guess you’re willingly ignoring all that’s transpired . Guess all the papers Sheng Thao made public aren’t worth reading, huh.

The city overdelivered on what the A’s wanted in terms of money, then the A’s pulled out for no good reason. If you don’t really know what’s going on here, then just shut the f*** up.

The fans and city are getting screwed over. It is what it is. Defending mlb of John Fisher just makes anyone doing it look like a complete jackass.

 

[KevFu]

“city hasn’t tried”

Guess you’re willingly ignoring all that’s transpired . Guess all the papers Sheng Thao made public aren’t worth reading, huh.

The city overdelivered on what the A’s wanted in terms of money, then the A’s pulled out for no good reason. If you don’t really know what’s going on here, then just shut the f*** up.

The fans and city are getting screwed over. It is what it is. Defending mlb of John Fisher just makes anyone doing it look like a complete jackass.

I agree with you, RE: Fisher. But I think the history of not getting anything done from like, 1991 to Fisher taking over is more of what people mean. I don't judge the City of Oakland for not giving billionaires new stadiums when they have much bigger fish to fry; and I don't judge MLB and the A's for saying "this can't continue any longer."

The whole blame game is usually binary: It's the City's Fault or it's the Owners Fault. To me, that's non-sense. It's the City's fault for not building anything in 30 years. It's the owners fault for not getting something done in 30 years.

It's also the Giants fault for being jerks about San Jose. It's baseball's fault for not mediating/working toward the ideal solution for everyone. It's the other owner's fault for cutting off revenue sharing and -- quite frankly, not just creating a secret slush fund to help the A's build an Oakland Stadium themselves. It's in the NL's best interest to not let the Giants turn into the Red Sox on steroids as a financial power.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

I agree with you, RE: Fisher. But I think the history of not getting anything done from like, 1991 to Fisher taking over is more of what people mean. I don't judge the City of Oakland for not giving billionaires new stadiums when they have much bigger fish to fry; and I don't judge MLB and the A's for saying "this can't continue any longer."

The whole blame game is usually binary: It's the City's Fault or it's the Owners Fault. To me, that's non-sense. It's the City's fault for not building anything in 30 years. It's the owners fault for not getting something done in 30 years.

It's also the Giants fault for being jerks about San Jose. It's baseball's fault for not mediating/working toward the ideal solution for everyone. It's the other owner's fault for cutting off revenue sharing and -- quite frankly, not just creating a secret slush fund to help the A's build an Oakland Stadium themselves. It's in the NL's best interest to not let the Giants turn into the Red Sox on steroids as a financial power.

The city is still paying on mt Davis, which is what the Raiders had to have to move back in the 90’s. They then let those same Raiders walk after the A’s signed a 10-year lease at the coliseum claiming to be rooted in Oakland and wanting to stay. Since then, the only thing the A’s have done is agree to a deal with the city of Oakland and then pulled back on it because they were never actually negotiating in good faith.

The other times the franchise wanted to move it was to surrounding areas like Fremont and San Jose, which the Giants blocked due to bullshit territorial rights.

This blame of the city of Oakland is ill placed and lazy. The waterfront was the only serious plan they’ve ever had in Oakland and the A’s chose 9 acres in a shit hole desert over 40 in 70 degree daily weather. Hope they enjoy burning in hell.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Did the A's juice ticket prices for fans' next reverse boycott? They say no

Some accused the Oakland Athletics of jacking up their ticket prices for fans' next...

www.sfchronicle.com

Example 22428926 from this ownership group that they’ll do and lie about anything just to sabotage Oakland fans.