Oakland A's to play in Sacramento for a few years while Las Vegas stadium is built

[LadyStanley]

Las Vegas ballpark design process on schedule, A’s Kaval says

Two design groups are competing to be chosen to design the A’s planned ballpark, scheduled to open in 2028. Where the team will play after 2024 remains an open question.

www.reviewjournal.com

Two competing design firms working in stadium design. October to make decision.

League and players union to make decision on where team will play after lease expires in 2024.

 

[LadyStanley]

Oakland mayor offers to let A's keep playing at Coliseum for now — if they leave their name when they go

Mayor Sheng Thao has reportedly laid out a series of deals if the A's need to keep using the stadium

www.cbssports.com

Kaval lists surprise ballpark among A's interim stadium options

If Major League Baseball approves the Athletics’ request to relocate to Las Vegas, the franchise will be in limbo for a few years.

www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

 

[KevFu]

Oakland mayor offers to let A's keep playing at Coliseum for now — if they leave their name when they go

Mayor Sheng Thao has reportedly laid out a series of deals if the A's need to keep using the stadium

www.cbssports.com

See, this is the deal that needs to get done.

Oakland Athletics expansion team in new Howard Terminal without the terrible owner.
Las Vegas Somethings with the A's terrible roster.

That gives you Four Pacific teams in the AL...
LAA, LV, OAK, SEA | MIN, CWS, DET, CLE | HOU, TEX, KC, TB | TOR, BOS, NYY, BAL
LAD, SD, SF, ARZ | COL, MIL, CHC, STL | ATL, MIA, CIN (WAS or NASH)| NYM, PHI, PIT, (MON or WAS).

 

[rojac]

See, this is the deal that needs to get done.

Oakland Athletics expansion team in new Howard Terminal without the terrible owner.
Las Vegas Somethings with the A's terrible roster.

That gives you Four Pacific teams in the AL...
LAA, LV, OAK, SEA | MIN, CWS, DET, CLE | HOU, TEX, KC, TB | TOR, BOS, NYY, BAL
LAD, SD, SF, ARZ | COL, MIL, CHC, STL | ATL, MIA, CIN (WAS or NASH)| NYM, PHI, PIT, (MON or WAS).

I'd still prefer to see the As remain the As and the new Oakland team build their own identity but I know many disagree with me.

 

[ponder719]

See, this is the deal that needs to get done.

Oakland Athletics expansion team in new Howard Terminal without the terrible owner.
Las Vegas Somethings with the A's terrible roster.

That gives you Four Pacific teams in the AL...
LAA, LV, OAK, SEA | MIN, CWS, DET, CLE | HOU, TEX, KC, TB | TOR, BOS, NYY, BAL
LAD, SD, SF, ARZ | COL, MIL, CHC, STL | ATL, MIA, CIN (WAS or NASH)| NYM, PHI, PIT, (MON or WAS).

Go full Browns (I know, you never go full Browns, but w/e.) The Oakland As officially go on hiatus, Oakland keeps all the records, Fisher gets the "expansion" New Vegas Chairmen, the As get to build a roster in a "reactivation" draft.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Go full Browns (I know, you never go full Browns, but w/e.) The Oakland As officially go on hiatus, Oakland keeps all the records, Fisher gets the "expansion" New Vegas Chairmen, the As get to build a roster in a "reactivation" draft.

Except MLB has multiple places they'd rather be than the east bay.

 

[KevFu]

Except MLB has multiple places they'd rather be than the east bay.

Yeah, they want to add new fans.... but it's still REALLY DUMB to leave the Bay Area to one team.

Sacramento, San Jose, Fresno, Stockton, Modesto, Napa, etc combined are way more people than anywhere they're looking to put a team.

Tennessee as a state has 6.8 million people, and a Nashville expansion team probably isn't going to pick up fans from Kentucky since the Reds have been around forever, and they might not convert all the Tennessee fans from Atlanta fans, since that team is really, really, really good and expansion teams usually aren't.


But that also points to just how dumb it is TO LET THE A'S LEAVE OAKLAND for Las Vegas, which is small, saturated with sports teams, has very few people in surrounding areas, etc.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Yeah, they want to add new fans.... but it's still REALLY DUMB to leave the Bay Area to one team.

Sacramento, San Jose, Fresno, Stockton, Modesto, Napa, etc combined are way more people than anywhere they're looking to put a team.

Tennessee as a state has 6.8 million people, and a Nashville expansion team probably isn't going to pick up fans from Kentucky since the Reds have been around forever, and they might not convert all the Tennessee fans from Atlanta fans, since that team is really, really, really good and expansion teams usually aren't.


But that also points to just how dumb it is TO LET THE A'S LEAVE OAKLAND for Las Vegas, which is small, saturated with sports teams, has very few people in surrounding areas, etc.

The entire SF bay has about 7.75 million. That is comparable or less than like a dozen other MLB teams. Oakland Athletics territory is Alameda and Contra Costa, which is 2.8 million and itself already full of Giants fans.

You've been going on about a thing about the Giants for so long that other teams don't care about because it isn't anything to care about.

MLB could be interested in Sacramento at some point in the future but Sacramento isn't the east bay.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Yeah, they want to add new fans.... but it's still REALLY DUMB to leave the Bay Area to one team.

Sacramento, San Jose, Fresno, Stockton, Modesto, Napa, etc combined are way more people than anywhere they're looking to put a team.

Tennessee as a state has 6.8 million people, and a Nashville expansion team probably isn't going to pick up fans from Kentucky since the Reds have been around forever, and they might not convert all the Tennessee fans from Atlanta fans, since that team is really, really, really good and expansion teams usually aren't.


But that also points to just how dumb it is TO LET THE A'S LEAVE OAKLAND for Las Vegas, which is small, saturated with sports teams, has very few people in surrounding areas, etc.

The Bay Area isn't some anomaly in the league in terms of # of people with 1 team.

The Red Sox have a 15 million person market to themselves (New England). Even cutting it to just Massachusetts that's still 6.9 million
NY Metro area of 19 million is only split by 2 teams
LA area is 13 million people for only 2 teams
Houston is 7 million for 1 team


Second, you keep claiming Las Vegas is saturated. No, it isnt. There is no limit to the appetite for entertainment here. In addition, the current sports play in the Fall and Winter, the As wont be directly competing against either of them. In addition to the 2.2m local population, there's 50 million annual visitors plus more that will certainly come to town to watch their team play the As.

Not for nothing, its probably better for the As being the only team in a town of 2.2m vs being the forgotten team in the bay area. Look at the White Sox, how much does being in Chicago really help them when nearly the entire city is about the Cubs?

 

[KevFu]

The entire SF bay has about 7.75 million.

You've been going on about a thing about the Giants for so long that other teams don't care about because it isn't anything to care about.

MLB could be interested in Sacramento at some point in the future but Sacramento isn't the east bay.

Surrounding that 7.75m who lives around SF Bay is over double that amount of people who are CUSTOMERS, and in the TV territory. It's like 17 of the Top 125 markets in the US are in the Giants/A's TV territory.

Baseball cared about this in the early 90s, when the Giants were going to move to Tampa and the owners didn't want to leave the Bay Area to the A's. Now they're going to do it with a team in the RICHER part of town and with a NEWER stadium? Lunacy.

The Bay Area isn't some anomaly in the league in terms of # of people with 1 team.

It is when you look beyond MSA or CSA and see how many people are actually in the TV market. You correctly mention the Red Sox who are "limited" from their full revenue potential by playing in 100-year old stadium; but still a financial power. The other one is Toronto, which has all of Canada as its TV market. These are teams that flirt with the luxury tax and only their willingness on ROI prevents them from topping it.


But when you compare Houston (7 million, one team) vs potentially being ONE team in the Bay Area... there is a whole lot of NOTHING between Houston and Austin/San Antonio...

120-mile radius around Houston has the Houston CSA, #139 Beaumont (400k), #179 College Station (275k). All the small 10k towns combined might add another quarter million. So 8 million customers?

The same radius around SF/OAK has about 10 other MSA's worth of people. It's double the number of customers Houston has.

Second, you keep claiming Las Vegas is saturated. No, it isnt. There is no limit to the appetite for entertainment here. In addition, the current sports play in the Fall and Winter, the As wont be directly competing against either of them. In addition to the 2.2m local population, there's 50 million annual visitors plus more that will certainly come to town to watch their team play the As.

Yeah, I don't want to say anything negative about Vegas, I'm just worried that they will grow really weary of the A's owner who's terrible.

Not for nothing, its probably better for the As being the only team in a town of 2.2m vs being the forgotten team in the bay area. Look at the White Sox, how much does being in Chicago really help them when nearly the entire city is about the Cubs?

I think that's a true statement, but the rest of us don't care "about THEM." We care about our team. If you have to win the last three games to make the playoffs, how good do you feel playing the A's or White Sox vs playing the Dodgers? I'll take the A's, thank you.

The whole thing isn't about what's best for someone else's team, it's about accidentally creating a monster in San Francisco like a "Dodgers North" (Which has already won 3 World Series in the last 14 years WITH a second team in the market).

It's funny to me how THIS SITE doesn't get the concept: Almost everyone here thinks there should be a second team in Ontario, maybe even THREE. The A's leaving CREATES that Leafs situation for the Giants, when the Bay Area (by TV territory) has a higher population than Ontario. If the NHL can get Hamilton into the league, you sure as hell don't let them LEAVE.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Look at the White Sox, how much does being in Chicago really help them when nearly the entire city is about the Cubs?

This is false.

 

[BattleBorn]

I was one of the biggest Las Vegas pro sports advocates back when that was a fringe position and I always said the one sport that wouldn't work in Vegas was baseball.

I still hold that position. Too many games, too fuggin hot, too transient to support such a huge inventory of games even if they come in and win a pennant or series within the first six years. Just isn't a good spot for it. Expansion first pro team would have had a shot, relocation bad team from Oakland just seems like it's asking too much. Raiders will make a tough go of it, A's have an even worse position, IMO.

Knights will always be the first and the real ones, not because it's hockey, but because everyone that lived in Vegas for more than 5 years before their arrival knew it would work and they took a shot.

Everyone else is going to capitalize on the tourists and the Las Vegas metro area can't support a team against the onslaught of out of town visitors that can save up all year for the Vegas away games.

Had to be basketball or hockey in Vegas, I'm glad it was the Knights.

I'm a Knights fan as a person from Las Vegas, but I don't care about the Raiders. It's cool seeing Las Vegas on standings sheets and in TV games, but they're not our team. I can't imagine giving up the Cubs for the A's just like I didn't give up the Bears for the Raiders. Blackhawks were easy to give up because the Knights were ours.

 

[LadyStanley]

Will it happen? These are the next steps for the Athletics as the team plans a move to Las Vegas

As the chatter over the Oakland Athletics' move to Las Vegas has died down, many in the valley have been asking if the team's proposed and legislature-approved transition to Southern Nevada will happen, and if so, what are the next steps? Read the whole story on 8 News Now...

news.yahoo.com

LVCAVA dude says they need the venue (more than the team) as they have turned down events. Still waiting on MLB to schedule meeting for relocation. And there's a timeline ticking away to get the deal done. (And about 60 agreements that need to be signed. )

 

[Vegan Knight]

Surrounding that 7.75m who lives around SF Bay is over double that amount of people who are CUSTOMERS, and in the TV territory. It's like 17 of the Top 125 markets in the US are in the Giants/A's TV territory.

Baseball cared about this in the early 90s, when the Giants were going to move to Tampa and the owners didn't want to leave the Bay Area to the A's. Now they're going to do it with a team in the RICHER part of town and with a NEWER stadium? Lunacy.




It is when you look beyond MSA or CSA and see how many people are actually in the TV market. You correctly mention the Red Sox who are "limited" from their full revenue potential by playing in 100-year old stadium; but still a financial power. The other one is Toronto, which has all of Canada as its TV market. These are teams that flirt with the luxury tax and only their willingness on ROI prevents them from topping it.


But when you compare Houston (7 million, one team) vs potentially being ONE team in the Bay Area... there is a whole lot of NOTHING between Houston and Austin/San Antonio...

120-mile radius around Houston has the Houston CSA, #139 Beaumont (400k), #179 College Station (275k). All the small 10k towns combined might add another quarter million. So 8 million customers?

The same radius around SF/OAK has about 10 other MSA's worth of people. It's double the number of customers Houston has.




Yeah, I don't want to say anything negative about Vegas, I'm just worried that they will grow really weary of the A's owner who's terrible.



I think that's a true statement, but the rest of us don't care "about THEM." We care about our team. If you have to win the last three games to make the playoffs, how good do you feel playing the A's or White Sox vs playing the Dodgers? I'll take the A's, thank you.

The whole thing isn't about what's best for someone else's team, it's about accidentally creating a monster in San Francisco like a "Dodgers North" (Which has already won 3 World Series in the last 14 years WITH a second team in the market).

It's funny to me how THIS SITE doesn't get the concept: Almost everyone here thinks there should be a second team in Ontario, maybe even THREE. The A's leaving CREATES that Leafs situation for the Giants, when the Bay Area (by TV territory) has a higher population than Ontario. If the NHL can get Hamilton into the league, you sure as hell don't let them LEAVE.

People get what you're saying, it's just not an issue.

If you include all of California north of San Luis Obispo there's over fifteen million people. If you go to those extremes on everyone's territories you will get similar numbers for like half the league.

Not to mention, the Giants already own nearly all of that, like I'm pretty sure has been mentioned multiple times.

The A's pull from a small portion of that big number, and most A's fans won't become Giants fans as it's in no small part the Giants fault they're moving from the bay area now to begin with.

There's reasons people can be upset but this Giants thing you're hung up on is nothing.

 

[KevFu]

most A's fans won't become Giants fans as it's in no small part the Giants fault they're moving from the bay area now to begin with.

There's reasons people can be upset but this Giants thing you're hung up on is nothing.

You say "most A's fans won't become Giants fans" but it's not about now, it's about "NEVER GOING BACK" that's the problem.

Again, it's no different than Boston: The old Braves fans didn't "switch" to their Red Sox, they died and their ancestors grew up Red Sox fans.

 

[oknazevad]

Descendants, not ancestors. Ancestors come before, not after. That's just one of my word usage pet peeves.

As for the A's, let's be frank. It's already a one-team metro area in all practical fashion. The A's are treated by the people of the area like a minor league team that plays in the suburbs of a major league territory.

As for the whole not letting the Giants leave part, it was less not only wanting the Bay Area to have one team, as not wanting to let the A's be that one team. Between not being in (or at least identified with) what is considered the central city of the metro area, and lingering resentment over the A's being there in the first place; between the dithering before allowing the move, and the way it created the issues forcing early expansion and those knock on effects, there were still many at the time who thought the A's shouldn't be in Oakland in the first place.

Heck, there are still those at the league office that don't think they should have ever been there. That's why they were pretty much ordered to move.

 

[hangman005]

I was one of the biggest Las Vegas pro sports advocates back when that was a fringe position and I always said the one sport that wouldn't work in Vegas was baseball.

I still hold that position. Too many games, too fuggin hot, too transient to support such a huge inventory of games even if they come in and win a pennant or series within the first six years. Just isn't a good spot for it. Expansion first pro team would have had a shot, relocation bad team from Oakland just seems like it's asking too much. Raiders will make a tough go of it, A's have an even worse position, IMO.

Knights will always be the first and the real ones, not because it's hockey, but because everyone that lived in Vegas for more than 5 years before their arrival knew it would work and they took a shot.

Everyone else is going to capitalize on the tourists and the Las Vegas metro area can't support a team against the onslaught of out of town visitors that can save up all year for the Vegas away games.

Had to be basketball or hockey in Vegas, I'm glad it was the Knights.

I'm a Knights fan as a person from Las Vegas, but I don't care about the Raiders. It's cool seeing Las Vegas on standings sheets and in TV games, but they're not our team. I can't imagine giving up the Cubs for the A's just like I didn't give up the Bears for the Raiders. Blackhawks were easy to give up because the Knights were ours.

I'm not a big fan of tax payer money on stadiums, I want to support Vegas teams, but I can't for the Raiders and can't for the A's (I think it might be an Oakland Cooties thing).... I'd be happy to spend taxpayer on a stadium for the A's.... in Oakland so they don't come to Vegas Which would be funny, imagine being so unwanted that other cities would pay up to keep you away.... ah well dreams are free.

 

[LadyStanley]

The old Braves fans didn't "switch" to their Red Sox, they died and their ancestors grew up Red Sox fans.

Descendants, not ancestors. Ancestors come before, not after. That's just one of my word usage pet peeves.

Well @oknazevad you may be SOL as the usage is both.

TWTS: When your ancestors are the descendants of your ancestors

When you have a language podcast, you come across a lot of usages that make you think, “I would never say that.” A little research and a few contextual examples later, you might just change your mind.

www.michiganradio.org

 

[oknazevad]

Common errors are still errors. I'm no prescriptivist, but words should not be incorrectly used in place of their antonyms.

 

[Mightygoose]

Petition filed by Schools over Stadiums to repeal stadium funding from SB 1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news3lv.com/amp/news/local/nevada-educators-pac-files-formal-petition-to-repeal-as-stadium-funding-bill-nsea-state-education-association-oakland-athletics-mlb-baseball-sports-government-nvsos-ballot

Valid signatures must be collected by July 8, 2024 to get on the ballot in November of that year.

 

[LadyStanley]

A’s reject offer from Black-owned Oakland development group to buy half of the Coliseum

A’s reject offer from Black-owned Oakland development group for half of the Coliseum

www.sfchronicle.com

Paywall so I can only read headline, but A's were approached about selling their Collesium land and rejected sale.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I feel for Oakland fans. Losing all your major sports teams in under a decade is a kick in the pants.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://www.si.com/mlb/athletics/news/oakland-reportedly-a-top-two-expansion-site-if-as-leave-for-las-vegas

Apparently Oakland near top of the list for expansion team

 

[PCSPounder]

A’s Financial Details Reveal John Fisher’s Claim Of $40 Million Losses For 2023

Financial information detail the inner working of the Oakland A's finances. From revenue sharing to MLB central funds to expenses and more, here's the details.

www.forbes.com

Somebody leaks documents claiming the A’s are losing $39m a year, but it’s not as simple as all that

Maury Brown, who has been writing about the business of baseball almost as long as whatever I've been doing here, yesterday got ahold of ... let's just call them "some numbers" for now and circle back to that, regarding the Oakland A's. In particular, he got hold of some numbers reputing to show...

t.co

I’ll put it this way… the A’s drew way better in the early 90s than the Giants did. Mind you, even then, one San Francisco paper was saying the Giants had a bigger fan base… so you know this debate has been happening forever.

But read both articles… and know that it was Maury Brown himself who reTWEETED the Field of Schemes article while otherwise supposedly under a partial NDA.

John Fisher is going to Vegas because he wants to collect revenue sharing money… and the public contribution to a new park doesn’t hurt. He ain’t selling, and he isn’t indicating that he’ll spend more on the team… and the Bay Area will still have an RSN when all is said and done.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://www.si.com/mlb/athletics/news/as-relocation-vote-gets-a-date

Relocation vote scheduled for November owners meeting