Yikes. If this return was selling high, I'd hate to see what selling low would've been
Confirmed Trade: [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)
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As a Pens fan, I certainly hope the pick rolls to next year.
Something like if they sold Miller for a bag of pucks or 1 for 1 with a goalie.
Like PLD for Keumper would have been a very bad trade for Miller.
They do not. Nor would Pittt agree to it considering it could be a lottery ball for Gavin Mckenna next year....
How insane would that be ... Lemieux to Crosby to Mckenna
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listening to them discuss Miller
He’s definately an old soul. Guy is out on west mount and Caufield. Literally the only player living on the north shore in West Van. And he said he likes the older demographic and quiet.
That sh/t is brutal going out to UBC and double bridges.
I have no idea how the hell he lived out there
Sooooo far away
Apparently the entire team roasted him for it.
He’s definately an old soul. Guy is out on west mount and Caufield. Literally the only player living on the north shore in West Van. And he said he likes the older demographic and quiet.
That sh/t is brutal going out to UBC and double bridges.
I have no idea how the hell he lived out there
Sooooo far away
Apparently the entire team roasted him for it.
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They effectively got a potential lottery pick+ for a 32 year old with a full NMC who’s very clearly trending down. What did you expect his value to be?
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Semantics, but they used that pick for M. Petterson, so it's really more him for Miller now than it is the pick.
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miller literally scored 100+ points last season and now you’re talking about getting out of his contract like he’s cap dump?
the thread would be locked within a few minutes if someone proposed that trade for miller before the EP40 drama went public
Of course it would have been locked without context.
1. Miller quietly asked for a trade and a fresh start elsewhere.
2. Miller crossed the line and had to be given a "leave of absence"
3. No Movement Clause which was basically that Miller only wanted to go to NYR.
The fact that the Canucks were able to get a 1st, young roster player and good prospect for him was job well done.
Put it this way from Canucks POV...
IF JT Miller was a free agent this summer , would i be thrilled if the Canucks signed him to a 5ysr 8mil AAV deal at age 32........heck no.. thats gonna age like Milk and will handcuff the Canucks cap wise in the future.
Would the Rangers have signed him to that contract if he was UFA? + give up all the assets they did.? I guess Drury would.
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it is selling high even though I right away called Chytil a retirement risk on this thread
Confirmed Trade: - [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)
Miller is an absolute cancer when the team is losing, smashing sticks, glares, his obvious body language in the locker room. He cannot help it, and likely one of the reasons he needed his mental health break earlier in the year.
J.T. Miller weighs in on trade by Canucks: 'A fresh start was needed'
Madison Square Garden can be a tough crowd, too, but Miller is unlikely to be booed Saturday when he faces the Canucks for the first time since his blockbuster trade back to New York on Jan. 31.
A 3 game winning streak will turn into a 5 game one with him there; similarly, a 3 game losing streak with him in the room will turn into a 6 game one. Canucks being a bubble team right now is not the right environment for him. He should've been traded to Dallas, where it looks like they will be a contender for a extended time. Rangers being unexpectedly bad this year is 100% the wrong place for him. hopefully need year, Fox and the vets bounces back and he will contribute to it.
He's a weird player that requires a specific environment, like some endangered species.
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Chytil is probably done after his next concussion. I wouldn't even be surprised if he goes to Robidas Island during the offseason.
The 1st essentially became Marcus Pettersson and we resigned him, so that was a nice move.
That leaves Mancini, who has looked quite good in limited minutes. If he pans out, the trade doesn't look awful given the circumstances. Obviously nowhere near what a non-drama queen Miller would return, but it was the NMC that held them hostage in the end.
The 1st essentially became Marcus Pettersson and we resigned him, so that was a nice move.
That leaves Mancini, who has looked quite good in limited minutes. If he pans out, the trade doesn't look awful given the circumstances. Obviously nowhere near what a non-drama queen Miller would return, but it was the NMC that held them hostage in the end.
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indeed the Pettersson thing is just a symptom, they didnt get along, but its not like they cannot play together. The real reason why he's traded is because he was a negative influence in the room likely esp towards the younger guys.
my question is whether JR/Allvin will continue to target these concussions/injury risks like Byram, Norris, Fabbri, etc.... after having Ferland, Chytil, Poolman, Baertschi pass through their medical dept?
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Why do you think the GM would say it was an issue if it wasn’t? And former coach?
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Ferland was a known issue, Benning was just that stupid (his contract wasn’t insured, that should have been a red flag that you don’t need a medical staff to confirm).
The rest, aside from Chytil, are also Benning acquisitions. Who knows if the medical staff remains the same.
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A GM has one job, and that job is to o it together a competitive team. The team was sinking and something needed to be done. He saw an opportunity where two players were struggling while the team was slumping.
Sure they didn’t get a long, most locker rooms don’t when you’re not performing but it wasn’t to the degree that the media tries to spin.
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but what’s the evidence you have to support that last claim?
clearly JT and EP can’t be taken at their word w/r/t their relationship. they tried to tell everyone there was no problem at all between them even as they were being contradicted on that point by teammates, coaches, and Canucks FO
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Miller was the player who was forced into a six week recovery program. The guy clearly has “issues”. Great player for sure. But if his club isn’t doing well, he’s a problem. And the Rangers aren’t doing well.
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Their word is just as good as anyone’s in this situation. Miller himself is still claiming he told management the issue were not that big of a deal deal.
It might not have been for him. Doesn't change that there was an issue from someone else's perspective. The GM confirmed it!
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The Canucks sold high?!? You think that was the selling high return? You can't be serious.
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No one is saying they didn’t have issues, they themselves said so. It’s the level at which media is making it out to be
Fair enough.
EDIT: On second thought, trading one of the players involved seems like a pretty big deal if the locker room issues weren't a big deal. I haven't been watching the media on this though. So maybe they're going completely nuts. Pretty rare for the GM to comment on an internal spat and then to trade a star player due to locker room issues.
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But look at who they were linked to at TDL? Byram was linked for many years, he is exactly another Chytil, same type of concussions. Norris was confirmed that they were one of the last teams in the running for his services, his shoulder's been separated more times than Palffy/Klefbom's... Fabbri is another all time favorite of our management, I believe he has Salo-itis, but mainly ACL issues.
I swear, Allvin is looking at Malkin right now, please let me be wrong.
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Again, miller is coming off a 100pt season. He would absolutely get 8M x 5 years this summer, I think you seriously underestimate how much the new cap number is going to inflate contracts this summer
If you really want to play that game, would you give EP40 11.6M for 7 years this summer? Now that is a contract that will handicap your team especially when he only has 45 points so far.
There’s no point trying to reason with nucks fans at this point, they will say anything to try and prove they won the miller trade
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