Confirmed Trade: [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)

[UrbanImpact]

miller literally scored 100+ points last season and now you’re talking about getting out of his contract like he’s cap dump?

the thread would be locked within a few minutes if someone proposed that trade for miller before the EP40 drama went public

Of course it would have been locked without context.

1. Miller quietly asked for a trade and a fresh start elsewhere.
2. Miller crossed the line and had to be given a "leave of absence"
3. No Movement Clause which was basically that Miller only wanted to go to NYR.

The fact that the Canucks were able to get a 1st, young roster player and good prospect for him was job well done.


Put it this way from Canucks POV...

IF JT Miller was a free agent this summer , would i be thrilled if the Canucks signed him to a 5ysr 8mil AAV deal at age 32........heck no.. thats gonna age like Milk and will handcuff the Canucks cap wise in the future.


Would the Rangers have signed him to that contract if he was UFA? + give up all the assets they did.? I guess Drury would.

 

[Raistlin]

Yikes. If this return was selling high, I'd hate to see what selling low would've been

it is selling high even though I right away called Chytil a retirement risk on this thread

Confirmed Trade: - [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)

Miller is an absolute cancer when the team is losing, smashing sticks, glares, his obvious body language in the locker room. He cannot help it, and likely one of the reasons he needed his mental health break earlier in the year.

J.T. Miller weighs in on trade by Canucks: 'A fresh start was needed'

Madison Square Garden can be a tough crowd, too, but Miller is unlikely to be booed Saturday when he faces the Canucks for the first time since his blockbuster trade back to New York on Jan. 31.

www.sportsnet.ca

A 3 game winning streak will turn into a 5 game one with him there; similarly, a 3 game losing streak with him in the room will turn into a 6 game one. Canucks being a bubble team right now is not the right environment for him. He should've been traded to Dallas, where it looks like they will be a contender for a extended time. Rangers being unexpectedly bad this year is 100% the wrong place for him. hopefully need year, Fox and the vets bounces back and he will contribute to it.

He's a weird player that requires a specific environment, like some endangered species.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Chytil is probably done after his next concussion. I wouldn't even be surprised if he goes to Robidas Island during the offseason.

The 1st essentially became Marcus Pettersson and we resigned him, so that was a nice move.

That leaves Mancini, who has looked quite good in limited minutes. If he pans out, the trade doesn't look awful given the circumstances. Obviously nowhere near what a non-drama queen Miller would return, but it was the NMC that held them hostage in the end.

 

[Three On Zero]

Miller himself still claiming the issues between him and Pettersson weren’t really an issue. I love how the media narrative still goes strong though.

 

[Raistlin]

Miller himself still claiming the issues between him and Pettersson weren’t really an issue. I love how the media narrative still goes strong though.

indeed the Pettersson thing is just a symptom, they didnt get along, but its not like they cannot play together. The real reason why he's traded is because he was a negative influence in the room likely esp towards the younger guys.

my question is whether JR/Allvin will continue to target these concussions/injury risks like Byram, Norris, Fabbri, etc.... after having Ferland, Chytil, Poolman, Baertschi pass through their medical dept?

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Miller himself still claiming the issues between him and Pettersson weren’t really an issue. I love how the media narrative still goes strong though.

Why do you think the GM would say it was an issue if it wasn’t? And former coach?

 

[Goatlender]

indeed the Pettersson thing is just a symptom, they didnt get along, but its not like they cannot play together. The real reason why he's traded is because he was a negative influence in the room likely esp towards the younger guys.

my question is whether JR/Allvin will continue to target these concussions/injury risks like Byram, Norris, Fabbri, etc.... after having Ferland, Chytil, Poolman, Baertschi pass through their medical dept?

Ferland was a known issue, Benning was just that stupid (his contract wasn’t insured, that should have been a red flag that you don’t need a medical staff to confirm).

The rest, aside from Chytil, are also Benning acquisitions. Who knows if the medical staff remains the same.

 

[Three On Zero]

Why do you think the GM would say it was an issue if it wasn’t? And former coach?

A GM has one job, and that job is to o it together a competitive team. The team was sinking and something needed to be done. He saw an opportunity where two players were struggling while the team was slumping.

Sure they didn’t get a long, most locker rooms don’t when you’re not performing but it wasn’t to the degree that the media tries to spin.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

A GM has one job, and that job is to o it together a competitive team. The team was sinking and something needed to be done. He saw an opportunity where two players were struggling while the team was slumping.

Sure they didn’t get a long, most locker rooms don’t when you’re not performing but it wasn’t to the degree that the media tries to spin.

but what’s the evidence you have to support that last claim?

clearly JT and EP can’t be taken at their word w/r/t their relationship. they tried to tell everyone there was no problem at all between them even as they were being contradicted on that point by teammates, coaches, and Canucks FO

 

[Fatass]

but what’s the evidence you have to support that last claim?

clearly JT and EP can’t be taken at their word w/r/t their relationship. they tried to tell everyone there was no problem at all between them even as they were being contradicted on that point by teammates, coaches, and Canucks FO

Miller was the player who was forced into a six week recovery program. The guy clearly has “issues”. Great player for sure. But if his club isn’t doing well, he’s a problem. And the Rangers aren’t doing well.

 

[Three On Zero]

but what’s the evidence you have to support that last claim?

clearly JT and EP can’t be taken at their word w/r/t their relationship. they tried to tell everyone there was no problem at all between them even as they were being contradicted on that point by teammates, coaches, and Canucks FO

Their word is just as good as anyone’s in this situation. Miller himself is still claiming he told management the issue were not that big of a deal deal.

 

[3074326]

Their word is just as good as anyone’s in this situation. Miller himself is still claiming he told management the issue were not that big of a deal deal.

It might not have been for him. Doesn't change that there was an issue from someone else's perspective. The GM confirmed it!

 

[FerrisRox]

Canucks sold high on a contract that was about to look really bad, and the Rangers are full of bad salary and aging forwards.

The Canucks sold high?!? You think that was the selling high return? You can't be serious.

 

[Three On Zero]

It might not have been for him. Doesn't change that there was an issue from someone else's perspective. The GM confirmed it!

No one is saying they didn’t have issues, they themselves said so. It’s the level at which media is making it out to be

 

[3074326]

No one is saying they didn’t have issues, they themselves said so. It’s the level at which media is making it out to be

Fair enough.

EDIT: On second thought, trading one of the players involved seems like a pretty big deal if the locker room issues weren't a big deal. I haven't been watching the media on this though. So maybe they're going completely nuts. Pretty rare for the GM to comment on an internal spat and then to trade a star player due to locker room issues.

 

[Raistlin]

Ferland was a known issue, Benning was just that stupid (his contract wasn’t insured, that should have been a red flag that you don’t need a medical staff to confirm).

The rest, aside from Chytil, are also Benning acquisitions. Who knows if the medical staff remains the same.

But look at who they were linked to at TDL? Byram was linked for many years, he is exactly another Chytil, same type of concussions. Norris was confirmed that they were one of the last teams in the running for his services, his shoulder's been separated more times than Palffy/Klefbom's... Fabbri is another all time favorite of our management, I believe he has Salo-itis, but mainly ACL issues.
I swear, Allvin is looking at Malkin right now, please let me be wrong.

 

[AvatarAang]

Put it this way from Canucks POV...

IF JT Miller was a free agent this summer , would i be thrilled if the Canucks signed him to a 5ysr 8mil AAV deal at age 32........heck no.. thats gonna age like Milk and will handcuff the Canucks cap wise in the future.


Would the Rangers have signed him to that contract if he was UFA? + give up all the assets they did.? I guess Drury would.

Again, miller is coming off a 100pt season. He would absolutely get 8M x 5 years this summer, I think you seriously underestimate how much the new cap number is going to inflate contracts this summer

If you really want to play that game, would you give EP40 11.6M for 7 years this summer? Now that is a contract that will handicap your team especially when he only has 45 points so far.

There’s no point trying to reason with nucks fans at this point, they will say anything to try and prove they won the miller trade

 

[lawrence]

It's dumb to make this a Miller vs. Pettersson trade; they weren't traded for each other.
Canucks sold high on a contract that was about to look really bad, and the Rangers are full of bad salary and aging forwards.
The main knock on Miller was always "what are the Canucks going to do in a couple of years when that contract begins to stink" and they have solved that problem after extracting his most competitive years.
Pettersson on the other hand is younger and has turned the corner, likely still has many big seasons ahead of him.
What I'm currently choked about on behalf of the Canucks is Chytil's injury, and likewise injury history re: concussions - the Canucks are down one of the main assets they need right now to be competitive.

I think they are just trying to indirectly try to say we made a mistake by trading the wrong player and that we should have traded Pettersson instead of JT Miller. I guess that's where they are trying to spin it as. so its like "ha! you losers f ed up! Canucks sucks blah blah blah" but it also seems like other Ranger haters are trying to make fun of New York for making a bad trade. Overall not a very constructive thread anymore.

 

[lawrence]

The Canucks sold high?!? You think that was the selling high return? You can't be serious.

Its on par with whatever Sabres got for Jack Eichel and Eichel was much young younger and better player. The 1st rounder was business as usual, we got a very good prospect in return in Mancini, and we got a roster player in Cythil. The fans seems to like Mancini a lot. Don't forget Miller is 32.... and a 7 more years tied to him. Us getting rid of that contract is also a win.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Its on par with whatever Sabres got for Jack Eichel and Eichel was much young younger and better player. The 1st rounder was business as usual, we got a very good prospect in return in Mancini, and we got a roster player in Cythil. The fans seems to like Mancini a lot. Don't forget Miller is 32.... and a 7 more years tied to him. Us getting rid of that contract is also a win.

Is this sarcasm? The return isnt comparable at all. Also, He just turned 32 and theres 5 years left. Cap is exploding contract is not an issue

 

[lakeshirts37]

They do not. Nor would Pittt agree to it considering it could be a lottery ball for Gavin Mckenna next year....

How insane would that be ... Lemieux to Crosby to Mckenna

Yes they can

 

[lakeshirts37]

in the short term, this year and the next, they were definitely bent over a barrel, esp now that Chytil maybe lost for the whole year, possibly forever.

that said, its only true IF the rangers are winning, if they are a bad team, Vancouver poison pilled you guys.

when Miller is 34 and still have 4 years to go in his contract. You will not like him being a distraction and not an impact player.

I believe its a lose lose trade

The trade in vacuum was a fleecing. I dont care how the teams are doing its irrelevant.

Oh and when Miller turns 34 itll be the 26-27 season, and he’ll have three years left.

 

[centipede2233]

Even though with the chytil injury this looks bad for the Canucks, if Chytil can’t come back next year the Canucks can use the cap space for free agency. You can lose hockey trades and still be fine.

 

[FerrisRox]

Is this sarcasm? The return isnt comparable at all. Also, He just turned 32 and theres 5 years left. Cap is exploding contract is not an issue

Not to mention he doesn't seem to mention the injury concerns around Eichel at the time of his trade.

 

[Siludin]

The Canucks sold high?!? You think that was the selling high return? You can't be serious.

This was fleshed out on previous page. It was a high return for JT Miller with no retention - he's not 28 anymore.