Proposal: NYR trade for Miller (VAN) and Chychrun (ARZ)

[elitepete]

Cool story. Rangers will take Pods from you then because he hasn't shown much in his 40 games in the NHL. 10 points from a forward....oof. Shoot Nils had just as many assists and only 6 less points in about 15 games less. Guess his value has plummeted huh....

Podkolzin is a physical all around forward. Can't really compare him to an offense only d man.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Podkolzin is a physical all around forward. Can't really compare him to an offense only d man.

That wasn't my point. My point was both players are extremely young and need some time to develop. Both are very valuable and highly regarded. A few games in a season isn't going to change that.

 

[elitepete]

That wasn't my point. My point was both players are extremely young and need some time to develop. Both are very valuable and highly regarded. A few games in a season isn't going to change that.

I know what your point was. You were trying to compare Lundkvist to Podkolzin because you assumed that Podkolzin has been struggling based on his point totals. The assumption that Podkolzin has been dissapointing or hasn't played well is completely wrong.

 

[Kupo]

Well the narrative comes from Rangers fans who say over and over and over that he is the better prospect.

And that’s because he’s a more fitting prospect for our organizational needs. I literally, mentioned this in the post you quoted.

I swear the reading comprehension on this site is turning into shit.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I know what your point was. You were trying to compare Lundkvist to Podkolzin because you assumed that Podkolzin has been struggling based on his point totals. The assumption that Podkolzin has been dissapointing or hasn't played well is completely wrong.

Well the other Vancouver fan who replied to my comment would obviously disagree with you. As with a lot of other fans who see a top 10 pick only put up 10 pts in half a season.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

 

[elitepete]

Well the other Vancouver fan who replied to my comment would obviously disagree with you. As with a lot of other fans who see a top 10 pick only put up 10 pts in half a season.

Podkolzin brings physicality, forechecking, and excellent defense. If he was put in more offensive situations and got more icetime, he would have a lot more points. The only people that think Podkolzin hasn't been good this season are the people that haven't watched him play much. He has been a huge bright spot.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Podkolzin brings physicality, forechecking, and excellent defense. If he was put in more offensive situations and got more icetime, he would have a lot more points. The only people that think Podkolzin hasn't been good this season are the people that haven't watched him play much. He has been a huge bright spot.

Wow that's cool its almost like people calling Nils an offense only D man.

 

[AHLdepth]

Cool story. Rangers will take Pods from you then because he hasn't shown much in his 40 games in the NHL. 10 points from a forward....oof. Shoot Nils had just as many assists and only 6 less points in about 15 games less. Guess his value has plummeted huh....

I'll start by saying that the word plummet is too strong a word to have used, however......yeah that's sort of the way it works. Prior to the season I would have said "We will only move Podkolzin for x" but now due to his real life showing we would have to accept "slightly less than x".

It's like if I buy a stock that I really believe in, and my research tells me it's going from $50 to $100 eventually. But after I buy it it actually drops to $45. I can still believe it's a good stock, and it likely is, but I can't sell it for anything more than $45 until it's worth more.

Like I say I wouldn't say his value has plummeted but it can't be as high as before the season.

 

[bernmeister]

Sorry, I forget to include retained salary on Miller's side of the contract. Including it now.

NYR are moving out Nemeth contract in this. They would be under the cap for this season if they completed these deals, and they would also be under the 10% maximum above the salary cap in the summer.

Chytil could be moved in the summer, and they can replace Georgiev with a cheaper backup.

Not in favor of moving chytil, and want to keep younger talent w/upside. IF IF IF vets can be added w/in my construct I'll consider it, but cap makes it extremely difficult

 

[elitepete]

Wow that's cool its almost like people calling Nils an offense only D man.

Doesn't Lundkvist struggle with defending? What else does he bring outside of offense? Certainly not size/physicality..

 

[jackjohnson]

To NYR:
JT Miller ($2 million retained by Vancouver, $3.25 on NYR books)

To Vancouver:
Nils Lundkvist
2022 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick



To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

So NYR gets the two biggest players available in Chychurun and Miller while giving up absolutely nothing? Whats your next proposal for McDavid? 2nd and Schneider?

 

[elitepete]

I'll start by saying that the word plummet is too strong a word to have used, however......yeah that's sort of the way it works. Prior to the season I would have said "We will only move Podkolzin for x" but now due to his real life showing we would have to accept "slightly less than x".

It's like if I buy a stock that I really believe in, and my research tells me it's going from $50 to $100 eventually. But after I buy it it actually drops to $45. I can still believe it's a good stock, and it likely is, but I can't sell it for anything more than $45 until it's worth more.

Like I say I wouldn't say his value has plummeted but it can't be as high as before the season.

You're in the vast minority with this opinion. Pod has been really good.

 

[jackjohnson]

Can't imagine that being the best offer for Chychrun, when rumors say the ask is Knight, Lundell ++ from FLA

I think the return for Miller would look something like that though

The return for Miller that is retained is just garbage. Canucks get a high 1st that is almost a 2nd round pick and a meddling prospect? No thanks Canucks arent that dumb anymore.

 

[jackjohnson]

Othmann isn't available. Rangers management love him. Him and Cuylle are the next core in the future.

If none of your valuable pieces are available then why even have discussions of Miller and Chychurun going to NYR? Arizona and Vancouver arent running a charity case for the Rangers.

 

[jackjohnson]

Good news, that is what Lundkvist is. A top RHD prospect.

Good news, then you can afford to give us Schneider if you think Lundkvist is a top proapect.

 

[Luck 6]

Well the other Vancouver fan who replied to my comment would obviously disagree with you. As with a lot of other fans who see a top 10 pick only put up 10 pts in half a season.

Canuck fans are spoiled with forward prospects. Not every prospect steps in to the NHL and is an immediate Calder candidate ala Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, and to a much lesser extent Hoglander. Podkolzin is exactly where most of us thought he’d be. He’s doing all of the little things right, and flashes of brilliance are there. I’m not saying he’s definitely due for an immediate break out, but he’s one of those guys that could break out for 50+ points next season and no one would be at all surprised.

 

[Luck 6]

I’ve tempered my expectations on a Miller return. Teams often get their expectations up on players, and more often than not the package is less than what was expected.

While Lundkvist, 1st, 2nd doesn’t exactly meet immediate team needs it’s still a decent package. If we can get a guy like Schneider it would of course be better, he would fit an organizational need where as Lundkvist wouldn’t.

Still, Miller IS a top player. PPG, center, plays all situations, still in prime, signed another year, low cap hit, etc. Maybe some GM will overpay.

 

[n8]

Doesn't Lundkvist struggle with defending? What else does he bring outside of offense? Certainly not size/physicality..

he does not. he won the Salming Award for best Swedish born defenseman in SHL last year. Yes, he has a sick shot but he knows how to defend. He's great with his stick. I think he needs to improve his physicality though. He needs to learn how to defend against bigger players.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Doesn't Lundkvist struggle with defending? What else does he bring outside of offense? Certainly not size/physicality..

Nope. In Sweden he was trusted in all situations and was a good shot suppressor. His strengths are his puck moving ability and IQ. His weakness is obviously his size. Shoot he played with the corpse known as Nemeth and somehow he had a positive plus minus. No idea how thats possible. I thought he played okay in his time up but many impatient Ranger fans will disagree. They want more now. I hated Nemeth though.

Nils size is obviously what everyone points too but Fox isn't a physical guy and I would take more of him. If he hits his ceiling he is a Fox lite in terms of play style. Not saying he is going to be as good as Fox but there are similarities. He could turn out to be really good if he puts it together. Kid needs time though to see what he will become.

For the record I also like Pods. I like his game and I think more offense will come but again he needs more time. He is a kid and another prospect who may or may not hit his potential.

 

[Flan the incredible]

You're in the vast minority with this opinion. Pod has been really good.

Seems a good amount of Canuck fans disagree with you.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Canuck fans are spoiled with forward prospects. Not every prospect steps in to the NHL and is an immediate Calder candidate ala Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, and to a much lesser extent Hoglander. Podkolzin is exactly where most of us thought he’d be. He’s doing all of the little things right, and flashes of brilliance are there. I’m not saying he’s definitely due for an immediate break out, but he’s one of those guys that could break out for 50+ points next season and no one would be at all surprised.

This is fair. I feel like Nils had a little more pressure as we watched Fox come in and dominant quickly. Similar situations. Rangers are also battling for a top spot so patience isn't something a lot of fans have.

 

[Luck 6]

This is fair. I feel like Nils had a little more pressure as we watched Fox come in and dominant quickly. Similar situations. Rangers are also battling for a top spot so patience isn't something a lot of fans have.

Sounds like you could use some “Miller time”. Haha.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I’ve tempered my expectations on a Miller return. Teams often get their expectations up on players, and more often than not the package is less than what was expected.

While Lundkvist, 1st, 2nd doesn’t exactly meet immediate team needs it’s still a decent package. If we can get a guy like Schneider it would of course be better, he would fit an organizational need where as Lundkvist wouldn’t.

Still, Miller IS a top player. PPG, center, plays all situations, still in prime, signed another year, low cap hit, etc. Maybe some GM will overpay.

All true, valid points… I guess I more wonder if any team would outbid. Lundqvist isn’t having me jump up and down but getting a couple top picks is nice. If another team offered a better prospect or potential for higher draft pick(s) then it could be more appealing.

 

[Zach716]

Good news, that is what Lundkvist is. A top RHD prospect.

That would be incorrect.