Proposal: NYR trade for Miller (VAN) and Chychrun (ARZ)

[bernmeister]

EXACTLY. Trouba's going to waive his NMC in exactly two seasons from now. MSG Management is going to find the right job for his girlfriend/wife in a city where Jacob would rather play than NY. Rangers won't retain, will get a haul and Trouba will have a lifelong position with the Rangers when he retires.

This has been set in stone.

#bernmeister4lifeyo

This is pretty funny. Bern is what I like to call "the rangers strawman" because he's constantly involved in any thread the rangers are mentioned (and can occasionally take over an unrelated thread). He's got some very... interesting ... opinions on things and people use his viewpoint as a way to generalize what "we all" think which ends up making 99% of these threads nearly unreadable, including this one.

But to your point... Trouba wont have to waive his NMC cause it'll be gone after the 23-24 season! Also his wife is doing her residency with Northwell, who is very conveniently a big sponsor/advertiser at MSG and the Rangers. \
Drury signed that big contract back in 09, his knee fell apart, and he worked his way up the FO to become GM.
Brad Richards was another who worked with the rangers FO the last couple years.
I'll let you do the math

1. bern will not be silenced, nor insulted, and I stand by my overall record. And yes, I am mixing first and third persons in this sentence, deal with it!

2. The correction is correct. Trouba not waiving 2 seasons hence NY can deal him then if it wishes.

3. It is plausible he could agree to be dealt before. I said PLAUSIBLE not a given. Like the odds on an inside straight, maybe a tad better, not much. This is based on we could directly/indirectly offer him/his wife favorable incentives to consider the move. As to the wife w/Northwell, assuming she wishes to remain with that fine organization and would not consider another, that is not a prob. If I am not mistaken Northwell has branches in FL. So like I said, a 1mil donation which is a tax write off for MSG getting applied to her dept to make sure she is a happy camper, is not inconceivable for a corp worth over a bil
W

 

[bernmeister]

I can only say that I hope Drury won't be lazy and undersell Krav because it makes his job easier. If he does that and Krav blossoms, I will continue to post on these boards how we should laugh in his face for that further botching to a mess he created.

bottom line: we can't fit anybody b'c cap
Miller does not make sense b'c he is an F w/salary going into next season and even if something were worked which included Lindgren and Miller at half, EVEN IF that, which would allow for JT to be on the roster, we then have NO ONE at all we can trade to get Kakko/LaF scratch $$$.
STOP WITH THE WIN NOW SHORTSIGHTEDNESS.

As for Chych, as an LD, which not a core need, ok, say you flip Lindy as part of that and somehow come up with the bal on his very reasonable deal.
Same thing.
How do we then pay for LaF/KK etc?
THINK PEOPLE THINK

 

[McJedi]

To NYR:
JT Miller

To Vancouver:
Nils Lundkvist
2022 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick



To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

Not bad from a value standpoint. Both of them seem reasonable. Interesting. Good job.

 

[Canadienna]

According to you yeah, your Gm might think otherwise. Miller is a top 15 forward in the league this year. If we don’t get a top prospect from you we’ll get it from another team all good.

According to you yeah, your GM might think otherwise.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Between Miller and Chychrun you're basically adding $10,000,000 in caphits with little to no money going out. once Zibanejad and Foxes new contracts kick in you'll be over the cap entering the summer season. And you've roughly $4,500,000 in bonuses on top of it.

Sorry, I forget to include retained salary on Miller's side of the contract. Including it now.

NYR are moving out Nemeth contract in this. They would be under the cap for this season if they completed these deals, and they would also be under the 10% maximum above the salary cap in the summer.

Chytil could be moved in the summer, and they can replace Georgiev with a cheaper backup.

 

[Blueangel1891]

You can get Miller for that at next years deadline

This year it's Schneider or Jim doesn't pick up the phone

 

[Mikachu93]

You can get Miller for that at next years deadline

This year it's Schneider or Jim doesn't pick up the phone

He won't be picking up the phone then

 

[5cotland]

Nope Lundqvist isn’t a top prospect. Solid piece though

He is not a top prospect

Brayden Schneider is a top prospect. Lundqvist is a tier below

No he’s not lol.

Pony up if you want Miller, it’ll take Schneider.

What the hell have I missed?

Lundkvist was one of the top d prospects in the world before the season started.

What the hell has happened between the first half of the season to have him drop his status entirely and drop a tier?

Because he didnt dominate with Nemeth on the 3rd line?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

According to you yeah, your GM might think otherwise.

Correct nice job

 

[Canadian Canuck]

What the hell have I missed?

Lundkvist was one of the top d prospects in the world before the season started.

What the hell has happened between the first half of the season to have him drop his status entirely and drop a tier?

Because he didnt dominate with Nemeth on the 3rd line?

Hasn’t shown any indication he’ll be a top pairing guy. Many prospects are highly touted; as soon as they play in the NHL and don’t show up their value decreases. He’s a fantastic player, just not one I’d want in a centrepiece for JT Miller. Rangers first is going to be insanely late too.

 

[5cotland]

Hasn’t shown any indication he’ll be a top pairing guy. Many prospects are highly touted; as soon as they play in the NHL and don’t show up their value decreases. He’s a fantastic player, just not one I’d want in a centrepiece for JT Miller. Rangers first is going to be insanely late too.

Surely you cannot reduce his value that much on 20 games being paired with Nemeth playing 12 minutes a night.

 

[DeltaSwede]

Rangers fans prefer Schneider for the same reasons Canucks fans value Schneider over Lundqvist. Simply the better fit moving forwards.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Surely you cannot reduce his value that much on 20 games being paired with Nemeth playing 12 minutes a night.

MADNESS?

THIS...IS...HFBOARDS!

A prospect's value drops the second he's drafted. If he plays a stretch of games and doesn't dominate at any level whether he's D, D+1, D+2, whatever, down he goes even further. Pretty much how this board works.

Reality is often different.

If I'm the Yotes or Nucks, I'm expecting a top prospect, one that's ready this season and a #1, plus maybe a #2 pick for either player that also fits the org's needs.

Chances are good they'll get it from someone. I'm sure we'll all be in agreement that it was the best offer...not sure if Lundquist is or isn't that prospect

 

[Flan the incredible]

Hasn’t shown any indication he’ll be a top pairing guy. Many prospects are highly touted; as soon as they play in the NHL and don’t show up their value decreases. He’s a fantastic player, just not one I’d want in a centrepiece for JT Miller. Rangers first is going to be insanely late too.

Cool story. Rangers will take Pods from you then because he hasn't shown much in his 40 games in the NHL. 10 points from a forward....oof. Shoot Nils had just as many assists and only 6 less points in about 15 games less. Guess his value has plummeted huh....

 

[Kupo]

Apparently Schneider is more valuable then Lundqvist. Otherwise, you would have no problem switching one for the other.

However, as is, Schneider is your top prospect RHD and Lundqvist is something less than your top prospect RHD.

It seems they aren't really interchangeable.

Apparently, you don’t know jack shit about Lundkvist. The difference in value between him and Schneider is insignificant. There are a number of rankings that have Nils ranked higher than Braden.

It comes down to organization needs. If we didn’t have guys like Fox and Jones, Lundkvist’s value would be higher than Schneider’s.

Teams looking for a young right handed offensive dman are going to value Nils higher. The fact that your fanbase prefers Braden doesn’t make him the “better” prospect.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The NYR aren’t 1-2 pieces away IMO, so some guys in favor like Schneider probably aren’t available for big swing deals. With Chychrun, an opportunity just presented itself and even though what the NYR have initially offered doesn’t jump off the page, it may be the only concrete offer they have until Florida or someone puts names in emails. If things are close with Chychrun, I can see the deal expanding to include the likes of Larsson, Stralman and Chytil’s name being tossed around

 

[smoneil]

With all due respect,
It’s not delusion, it’s rangers fans overrating their Prospect, Just like every organizational fans do.
There’s a reason he is in basically every single trade proposal for the Rangers in the last three months.

Not to mention it does not fit a roster whatsoever, we have Rathbone and Quinn Hughes already

The reason he's in all the trade proposals is that the Rangers have three small-ish, offensive-minded defensemen: Fox, Jones, and Lundkvist. Jones plays on the left. There's currently only one spot on the right, and Schneider gives the team a different look. I think the only way the team would consider moving Schneider would be if Robertson (a similar player to Schneid, but a LD and a lot more raw) took a few developmental steps forward. Right now, the "3rd pair of the future" could be Jones/Schneider, Robertson/Lundkvist, or maybe Robertson/Schneider. But they aren't going to ice Jones/Lundkvist and have a blueline with only one physical player (Trouba).

That said, I don't think the Rangers are ready to contend quite yet (most of the team has no playoff experience), so I don't want them spending assets on Miller to begin with. By the time they'd need him, they wouldn't be able to afford him.

 

[Blueangel1891]

Apparently, you don’t know jack shit about Lundkvist. The difference in value between him and Schneider is insignificant. There are a number of rankings that have Nils ranked higher than Braden.

It comes down to organization needs. If we didn’t have guys like Fox and Jones, Lundkvist’s value would be higher than Schneider’s.

Teams looking for a young right handed offensive dman are going to value Nils higher. The fact that your fanbase prefers Braden doesn’t make him the “better” prospect.

Nucks don't need a Lundkvist with Hughes and Rathbone and Ekmann-Larsson still signed for almost a freaking decade

We do need a Schneider who projects as a tailormade perfect partner for Hughes though

 

[Hoglander]

Nucks don't need a Lundkvist with Hughes and Rathbone and Ekmann-Larsson still signed for almost a freaking decade

We do need a Schneider who projects as a tailormade perfect partner for Hughes though

I would be open to getting Lundkvist, as we are thin on RHD prospects. Rathbone is a 23 year old LHD that still hasn't made the team yet, Lundkvist plays the right side so he isn't blocked by QH and OEL(who seems to be a shut-down type now, and a lackluster 2nd unit PP guy), and the back end clearly needs some offensive competence beyond QH(our current prospects aren't going to address this). At the very least, I would consider Lundkvist an acceptable consolation prize, if Schneider is off the table. As much as I'd like to find the perfect partner for QH, it's not like the back end is missing just 1 piece. We will need others as well. I could understand how some may not see him as a great fit, but imo he is still a very good prospect, and I would welcome another D that could actually accomplish something in the offensive end.

 

[elitepete]

To NYR:
JT Miller ($2 million retained by Vancouver, $3.25 on NYR books)

To Vancouver:
Nils Lundkvist
2022 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick



To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

Canucks decline.

 

[John Johnson]

Cool story. Rangers will take Pods from you then because he hasn't shown much in his 40 games in the NHL. 10 points from a forward....oof. Shoot Nils had just as many assists and only 6 less points in about 15 games less. Guess his value has plummeted huh....

I know you're being sarcastic but it actually has. Not a good example tbh.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I know you're being sarcastic but it actually has. Not a good example tbh.

Maybe on HFboards but scouts and GMs aren't going to just change their thinking on a 20 year old player from a few games in the NHL. Thats not the way it works.

 

[Kupo]

Nucks don't need a Lundkvist with Hughes and Rathbone and Ekmann-Larsson still signed for almost a freaking decade

We do need a Schneider who projects as a tailormade perfect partner for Hughes though

This is completely irrelevant to my post. I don’t care what you want or what your franchise needs. My post was comparing Nils and Braden as prospects.

 

[Paulinbc]

It's not bad value at all, but I'm sure fans of both teams will be like "ADAM FOX PLUS FIVE OTHER PIECES OR NO DEAL."

Works for me.
As long as 3 of those 5 pieces are firsts.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

This is completely irrelevant to my post. I don’t care what you want or what your franchise needs. My post was comparing Nils and Braden as prospects.

Well the narrative comes from Rangers fans who say over and over and over that he is the better prospect.