Proposal: NYR trade for Miller (VAN) and Chychrun (ARZ)

[Rey]

Canucks say no thanks.

JT millers value is pretty much established on here already with the countless threads.

1st + top prospect (RHD)

Relax. You’ve been here enough to know that hfboard does not dictate the value of a player .

Lunqvist has actually been rated higher than Schneider on several prospect rankings. Just because he is the physical, doesn’t mean anything . Haven’t you been through all the drafts were teams pick the physical defense man only for them to not life up to expectation. Why does it change now ?

Go do some research of NHLs top prospects. Go find list and ask yourself where Schneider actually is . Stop over reacting to what you imagine the player is, to what he actually is.

 

[cwede]

Othmann is not being traded

and this longtime NYR fan really does not expect JT Miller rejoining NYR, despite any ongoing chatter

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Maybe in the opinions of rangers fans.
But certainly not mine, Schneider is a top prospect, Lundqvist is good, But is a full tier below

Schneider will never have the offensive capabilities of Lundkvist. Nils will never have the physical capabilities of Braden. They are two players who are good at different things, so comparing them apples to apples doesn't really work.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Florida will not give up that much. No way

I agree, just saying that was reportedly the ask

 

[n8]

To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

FAAAR above the 1st pick and two former 1st players ask.
Rangers aren't trading Othmann.
Jones is not technically a former 1st but he has arguably developed into a player as good as one.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

If that's the ask Chychrun is a Yote for life or leaves via UFA only. No team is paying that, or an equivalent.

I agree. I think he has more value than the package offered here just as in it's a quantity over quality offer
Edit: but you realize his value drops every season, is value is at an all time high because he has multiple years left at a reasonable salary

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Value seems pretty good. Nucks fans calling Lundqvist "not a top prospect" is simply delusion, you can ignore that.


Perhaps slightly more would have to be involved for Chychrun, but Othmann is a great prospect IMO.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Then why are Rangers fans so willing to move him, but Schneider is completely off the table?

They are two different defensemen and we need more of what Braden brings right now than Nils.

 

[Canucks LB]

Value seems pretty good. Nucks fans calling Lundqvist "not a top prospect" is simply delusion, you can ignore that.


Perhaps slightly more would have to be involved for Chychrun, but Othmann is a great prospect IMO.

With all due respect,
It’s not delusion, it’s rangers fans overrating their Prospect, Just like every organizational fans do.
There’s a reason he is in basically every single trade proposal for the Rangers in the last three months.

Not to mention it does not fit a roster whatsoever, we have Rathbone and Quinn Hughes already

 

[Fitzy]

According to you yeah, your Gm might think otherwise. Miller is a top 15 forward in the league this year. If we don’t get a top prospect from you we’ll get it from another team all good.

This strongly reminds me of how confident our fanbase was that we were going to get Sergachev or Foote in a deal for McDonagh. Instead we got Hajek and Howden.

 

[Flan the incredible]

To NYR:
JT Miller

To Vancouver:
Nils Lundkvist
2022 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick



To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

As a Ranger fan easy pass on both. I think trade values on this thread have gone bonkers. If these were the prices I would trade off every player on the team and have a team of blue chip prospects and probably 12 first round picks only trading 6 or 7 guys. Insane

 

[rangersfansince08]

With all due respect,
It’s not delusion, it’s rangers fans overrating their Prospect, Just like every organizational fans do.
There’s a reason he is in basically every single trade proposal for the Rangers in the last three months.

Not to mention it does not fit a roster whatsoever, we have Rathbone and Quinn Hughes already

Lol he just got voted as our best prospect on our board and we spent all summer arguing over which one to keep.

 

[Flan the incredible]

With all due respect,
It’s not delusion, it’s rangers fans overrating their Prospect, Just like every organizational fans do.
There’s a reason he is in basically every single trade proposal for the Rangers in the last three months.

Not to mention it does not fit a roster whatsoever, we have Rathbone and Quinn Hughes already

The reason he is in every trade proposal is the same reason they wanted to get rid of kreider before the season for nothing. Nils looked like a rookie and not a star player so they jumped on the Schneider bandwagon. Now they are turning on Laf and kappo because you know they are 20 now and obviously busts. Its over reaction and having no patience.

Still Nils was rated as their top prospect or top 3 by not only the fans but the media also. That doesn't change because of 20 NHL games. The kid had talent he just needs time to develop some more.

You thinking because he is included in trade proposals is him not being worth it when you haven't watched his development is.....yea delusional. Kid is still a top prospect.

 

[TGWL]

With all due respect,
It’s not delusion, it’s rangers fans overrating their Prospect, Just like every organizational fans do.
There’s a reason he is in basically every single trade proposal for the Rangers in the last three months.

Not to mention it does not fit a roster whatsoever, we have Rathbone and Quinn Hughes already

Do you think he would still be in "every single trade proposal" if NYR didn't have more d-prospects than forward prospects fans are high on, or if the right side wasn't Fox/Trouba/insert player? (Schneider). Trouba has has played well this season and isn't going anywhere. For needs, Schneider is a great need for us. We understand he's a greater need for you as well.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Probably because they see Schneider as Trouba's replacement in a couple of years while Lundkvist is a similar player as Fox who is going nowhere. I don't subscribe to that view necessarily but that's the reason.

EXACTLY. Trouba's going to waive his NMC in exactly two seasons from now. MSG Management is going to find the right job for his girlfriend/wife in a city where Jacob would rather play than NY. Rangers won't retain, will get a haul and Trouba will have a lifelong position with the Rangers when he retires.

This has been set in stone.

#bernmeister4lifeyo

 

[DanielBrassard]

EXACTLY. Trouba's going to waive his NMC in exactly two seasons from now. MSG Management is going to find the right job for his girlfriend/wife in a city where Jacob would rather play than NY. Rangers won't retain, will get a haul and Trouba will have a lifelong position with the Rangers when he retires.

This has been set in stone.

#bernmeister4lifeyo

Funny, but his NMC turns into a partial no trade 2 and a half seasons from now.

 

[TGWL]

This strongly reminds me of how confident our fanbase was that we were going to get Sergachev or Foote in a deal for McDonagh. Instead we got Hajek and Howden.

I don't think most of us said we were getting Sergachev. That was a pipe-dream from a some posters. I think most wanted Foote and Raddysh over Howden.

 

[Ciao]

I don't know why, Lundkvist was considered the Rangers top prospect before the season, at least on D and there's really no reason for that to have changed. Maybe Schneider is a better fit for you guys as a more physical defenseman but in terms of value I don't see why Schneider would be more valuable

Apparently Schneider is more valuable then Lundqvist. Otherwise, you would have no problem switching one for the other.

However, as is, Schneider is your top prospect RHD and Lundqvist is something less than your top prospect RHD.

It seems they aren't really interchangeable.

 

[Ciao]

Between Miller and Chychrun you're basically adding $10,000,000 in caphits with little to no money going out. once Zibanejad and Foxes new contracts kick in you'll be over the cap entering the summer season. And you've roughly $4,500,000 in bonuses on top of it.

No worries. It's all fantasy and would never happen anyhow.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Apparently Schneider is more valuable then Lundqvist. Otherwise, you would have no problem switching one for the other.

However, as is, Schneider is your top prospect RHD and Lundqvist is something less than your top prospect RHD.

It seems they aren't really interchangeable.

I wouldn't have a problem switching Schneider for Lundkvist. The only guy I would like to avoid trading is Zac Jones.

 

[Calad]

EXACTLY. Trouba's going to waive his NMC in exactly two seasons from now. MSG Management is going to find the right job for his girlfriend/wife in a city where Jacob would rather play than NY. Rangers won't retain, will get a haul and Trouba will have a lifelong position with the Rangers when he retires.

This has been set in stone.

#bernmeister4lifeyo

This is pretty funny. Bern is what I like to call "the rangers strawman" because he's constantly involved in any thread the rangers are mentioned (and can occasionally take over an unrelated thread). He's got some very... interesting ... opinions on things and people use his viewpoint as a way to generalize what "we all" think which ends up making 99% of these threads nearly unreadable, including this one.

But to your point... Trouba wont have to waive his NMC cause it'll be gone after the 23-24 season! Also his wife is doing her residency with Northwell, who is very conveniently a big sponsor/advertiser at MSG and the Rangers. \
Drury signed that big contract back in 09, his knee fell apart, and he worked his way up the FO to become GM.
Brad Richards was another who worked with the rangers FO the last couple years.
I'll let you do the math

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

To NYR:
JT Miller

To Vancouver:
Nils Lundkvist
2022 1st round pick
2022 2nd round pick



To NYR:
Jacob Chychrun

To ARZ:
Vitali Kravstov
Patrick Nemeth
Zac Jones
2023 1st round pick
Brendan Othmann

I think you overdid it on Chychrun, he is not worth so much. completely crazy.

 

[bernmeister]

Brayden Schneider is a top prospect. Lundqvist is a tier below

both are top Schneid is superior

 

[bernmeister]

Then why are Rangers fans so willing to move him, but Schneider is completely off the table?

because of the stupidity of win now mesmerizing some who can't control themselves?

 

[bernmeister]

Between Miller and Chychrun you're basically adding $10,000,000 in caphits with little to no money going out. once Zibanejad and Foxes new contracts kick in you'll be over the cap entering the summer season. And you've roughly $4,500,000 in bonuses on top of it.

FINALLY someone paying attention