Confirmed with Link: NYR/OTT: Namestnikov ($750K retained) to Ottawa for 2021 4th Rnd pick and Nick Ebert

[GAGLine]

I’m admittedly nowhere nearly well versed in the subject but I think what you describing is a gradual “actual” of cap space. Using your example, wouldn’t it be the same as if Namestnikov was moved at half point? Wouldn’t it give you the same $2.5m savings but more in a big bang event?

If we are talking strictly cap space maneuverability, I think what this trade did is separated (front ran) a necessity to create cap space for a separate deal instead of moving Namestnikov a part of that future deal.

No. Cap space is calculated and accrued on a daily basis. The example was 500k cap space per day, in a 200 day season (100 mil cap), where we were only spending 475k for the first 100 days.

Let's say Names was making 25k per day. He was traded 6 days into the season, so he cost us a total of 150k against the cap. If he were instead traded at the halfway mark, he would have cost us 2.5 mil against the cap.

On CapFriendly, you can view the cap tracker for each team, which shows the to-date cap totals for each player:

New York Rangers Daily Cap Tracker - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Namestnikov, Vladislav

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$4,000,000

$2,925,000

6

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0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

0

$129,032

$4,021,505

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Namestnikov was on the roster for 6 days. During that time, he cost a total of 129,032 against the cap.

Since we retained 750k, he will continue to accrue against the cap each day at a rate of 750k / total days in season.

 

[GAGLine]

"he would have been blocking one of 23 or 77."


Would've saved us a 2nd rounder. Haha, but seriously, it was risky to assume Fox would make the team right out of Training Camp. He could have easily needed seasoning in Hartford.

We had Smith as a backup option.

 

[Hire Sather]

I’ll have the hyperbole. Make it a double.

I mean, maybe a little.

But do you disagree that Names is a better player than McKegg, Haley or Smith?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We had Smith as a backup option.

Not much of a backup option

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I mean, maybe a little.

But do you disagree that Names is a better player than McKegg, Haley or Smith?

Not $3M+ better. None of those guys may replace his offensive numbers, but they could play other roles that add value to the team.

 

[GAGLine]

Not much of a backup option

No, but neither was Strome as the 2c. If they were better backup options, they'd probably be the defacto starter.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

No, but neither was Strome as the 2c. If they were better backup options, they'd probably be the defacto starter.

Still hoping we make Lias the 2C and move Strome to the W on the fourth line with McKegg as the C and Smith as the other W.

 

[LokiDog]

Maybe because Chytil isn’t ready?

That’s not what my point was. I was saying, IF we’re making room for Chytil to be called up, why not just scratch Smith/Haley, since all three lines of the bottom nine right now are totally ineffective and Namestnikov is far less of a plug. It’s a moot point, I’m hardly upset about the move. I was just puzzled by the timing since we don’t need cap space at this moment and his value could have increased a bit leading up to the TDL or we could have plugged him in somewhere and caught some chemistry.

 

[GAGLine]

Still hoping we make Lias the 2C and move Strome to the W on the fourth line with McKegg as the C and Smith as the other W.

Yeah, I would like to see Lias get more time. I'm not sure he's ready to be 2C, but wouldn't mind him getting a chance if Howden is going to be the 3C. Lias played more against Ottawa than he did against Winnipeg, and he got consistent PK time in both, so hopefully his minutes will continue to ramp up as the season progresses.

 

[CommaSynapse]

I thought Nams would've done well centering Kakko and Kreider instead of Strome, but that fantasy has now died. Ah, well.

I don't like losing Namestnikov because I felt he was a player who had a strong work ethic and would set a good example, but NYR may feel that Andersson has shown he can PK and deserves more time, so Nams is just an expensive luxury for that role.

I absolutely understand the value of cap space. In the bigger picture, it's good to have another RD in Hartford, too. Never know what that fourth rounder becomes or could be parlayed into.

I'm trusting Gorton has some plans because he's done well in his tenure, so we shall wait and see.

 

[TheTakedown]

I still don’t think it’s changed anything about the operation of the team. They’re not making any moves geared specifically towards improving their record *this* season. If a move for the future happens to improve the team this year, but also improves the team moving beyond this year, they won’t hesitate to make that move. Like Panarin and Trouba. Who knows, maybe a Dylan Strome type of situation is lurking out there somewhere.

Quinn says he wants to make the playoffs. That’s his job. It’s important for the coach to set a goal, even if the goal is unattainable. Failure is a good teacher.

Meanwhile JD continues to preach patience. Gorton continues to preach patience. That the front office is pro-active doesn’t mean anything has changed.

The problem is that posters here want the Winnipeg building method without the waiting.

"Build from within, draft high, develop well"

That takes 3-5 years...

And yet these are the same people that are bitching that we might not win enough games and make the playoffs after a 2-0 start. Absolutely insane.

Let the kids play, if nobody grabs the 2C spot, look for a breakout candidate or swing a trade next year. If the rangers do a small sell off they will have pieces. If kreider is traded he will still have value even as a UFA to be. Rangers have 18 picks in the next 2 drafts. That's not a bad position to be in. Strome is still an RFA this year, he also holds value.

 

[TheTakedown]

Something I think we are going to see is shortening the bench to 3 lines later in games and when the team is trailing. Now, we shouldn't gameplan to go that way, cause you never know with injuries, but I'd argue we're down to 11 guys who are going to get ice time up front later in games.

It'll be easier to sit McKegg and Smith. That last forward could vary this season, but at some point it should be Strome.

Still think we're used to the AV style where these guys are all balanced. Quinn could be going a little more top heavy. In game injuries ruin that plan, but if they need a top 9 guy, they could call up Kravtsov or Chytil.

Because that's how you are supposed to coach. Depth is great but if it's not getting the job done then you shorten the bench. AV doesn't know how to do that and it costs him games.

 

[SwedishFire]

you realize that 2011 is....8 years ago, right?

Things change, bro.

But the pick was strange even at the time. And EVERYBODY knew that Kucehorv was a big talent, but didnt draft anyway.

 

[chosen]

Quite frankly I don't think Shattenkirk was very good for us. He underperformed his salary IMO by a lot and I like my defensemen to be able to play in all situations. It's yet to be proven that DeAngelo or Fox can but they are much younger players and I think there's at least possibility that one or both of them will. The all situations boat sailed a while ago with Shatty (he needs a certain amount of sheltering and a defensively responsible partner).....and Tony's offensive game was better than Shattenkirk's last year and both of them are much cheaper.

I would also note that sometimes players don't fit with certain teams and also that it's easier to fit in with a stronger and established team because almost always teams like that have also worked out established roles for their individual players. The Rangers being a young team are sorting through that and probably will for the next couple, three, four years.

I'm not saying the Rangers made a mistake. Just saying that many here felt he was totally useless and done and I had my doubts that was true.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I thought Nams would've done well centering Kakko and Kreider instead of Strome, but that fantasy has now died. Ah, well.

I think that he never got that chance speaks volumes about how they felt about Namestnikov. Especially when you consider that that line has been disappointing and Strome has been invisible.

 

[Ghost of jas]

*The adjectival form is "clichéd".

Sorry, I'm on a language riff and that's a pet peeve.

Actually I left out the ‘a’.

 

[True Blue]

I just think that way too much is being made of this. Over a guy that most fans couldn't wait to dump this offseason. Am I over the moon about the return? Of course not. Am I crestfallen? No.

Wait, wait. I am late to this party, but reading this makes me think that there are people that are upset by the haul? What was the expectation here?

More cap space and this gets Lemieux off the 4th line. What is not to like?

 

[True Blue]

McKegg looked pretty pissed he wasn't in the opening lineup during the player presentations on Thursday.

Haley just looked happy to have a job.

See whichever one wants it more and go with it.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Wait, wait. I am late to this party, but reading this makes me think that there are people that are upset by the haul? What was the expectation here?

More cap space and this gets Lemieux off the 4th line. What is not to like?

Come on, TB. You're no rookie around here. You can predict the "Could have gotten more at the deadline. Or last summer. Or next Tuesday. Or the next new moon." comments.

 

[Raspewtin]

Wait, wait. I am late to this party, but reading this makes me think that there are people that are upset by the haul? What was the expectation here?

More cap space and this gets Lemieux off the 4th line. What is not to like?

The fact that we just gave either McKegg or Haley (both being awful) a job for no reason is really the only complaint, but it is one.

 

[AKA Chief]

I never understood adding JT Miller to the MacD deal so we could get Namestnikov. Understand it less now.

I don't think Namestnikov needed to be here but I think he's proven that he can be useful when playing with talented players and I would have liked to have seen him on the 2nd line. I can't wait until we jettison Strome.

 

[True Blue]

Come on, TB. You're no rookie around here. You can predict the "Could have gotten more at the deadline. Or last summer. Or next Tuesday. Or the next new moon." comments.

Ahh. Certainly true.

 

[True Blue]

The fact that we just gave either McKegg or Haley (both being awful) a job for no reason is really the only complaint, but it is one.

Not really. I could care less if Haley takes a 4th line shift. I like the cap space creation, but more than anything I LOVE that this gives someone like Lemieux the opportunity to get off the 4th line. That is the biggest value add to me. The summer ended with a few too many forwards for the kids to get the opportunities. This creates roster flexibility. To me, this still a building year. Who cares of McKegg or Haley plays for 5 minutes on the 4th line? Not like Names was doing much with the time that he was allocated.

 

[True Blue]

I never understood adding JT Miller to the MacD deal so we could get Namestnikov. Understand it less now.

I don't think Namestnikov needed to be here but I think he's proven that he can be useful when playing with talented players and I would have liked to have seen him on the 2nd line. I can't wait until we jettison Strome.

Gorton zeroes in on players that he likes. Some work out. Some don't . When the latter happens, sometimes they are used obtain other projects (Spooner for Strome) or are discarded. Nametsnikov brought back essentially a late third after he did now work out.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Gorton zeroes in on players that he likes. Some work out. Some don't . When the latter happens, sometimes they are used obtain other projects (Spooner for Strome) or are discarded. Nametsnikov brought back essentially a late third after he did now work out.

How did he bring back a late 3rd? It's a 4th round pick.