Confirmed with Link: NYR/OTT: Namestnikov ($750K retained) to Ottawa for 2021 4th Rnd pick and Nick Ebert

[RangerBoy]

 

[GAGLine]

How did he bring back a late 3rd? It's a 4th round pick.

Because Ottawa is terrible and their 4th round pick is likely to be very early in the round. Not actually a late 3rd, but close enough.

 

[NYR Viper]

This Vince guy has been a revelation for all of us

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Because Ottawa is terrible and their 4th round pick is likely to be very early in the round. Not actually a late 3rd, but close enough.

Sure, but that's like calling a 48 goal scorer a "50 goal scorer"

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Raspewtin]

Not really. I could care less if Haley takes a 4th line shift. I like the cap space creation, but more than anything I LOVE that this gives someone like Lemieux the opportunity to get off the 4th line. That is the biggest value add to me. The summer ended with a few too many forwards for the kids to get the opportunities. This creates roster flexibility. To me, this still a building year. Who cares of McKegg or Haley plays for 5 minutes on the 4th line? Not like Names was doing much with the time that he was allocated.

Okay maybe you don't think it's a problem but you asked "what's the downside" and you got an answer.

No matter what you thought of Names and his contract; he's an NHL player and Haley/McKegg are not. Our bottom 6 is a shithole devoid of offensive talent and while Names is not exactly an offensive beast, he at least has the capability. Unlike McKegg and Haley who respectively have point career highs of 11 and 12 and don't provide anything we don't already have.

Lemieux getting slotted up is fine and I think he deserves it but again the 4th line is just worse now and we lost a good PKer who could play different positions. It was a senseless downgrade beyond saving cap space.

I don't disagree that you should move overpriced players especially in this cap climate but McKegg is f***ing awful and will replace nothing but Namestnikov's skates.

 

[TheTakedown]

I understand what the concept of banking space is.
Im also like 95% sure that when the cap was introduced, it was specifically mentioned that this is NOT the way it works.

pretty sure this *is* how it works.

 

[Tawnos]

pretty sure this *is* how it works.

I mentioned in a subsequent post that it's possible they changed it in 2013. Because I vividly remember at one point that on the BoH board, people were constantly reminded that you can't bank space in the NHL. Much like them adding language defining extensions, which weren't a thing before.

 

[Leetch3]

I never understood adding JT Miller to the MacD deal so we could get Namestnikov. Understand it less now.

I don't think Namestnikov needed to be here but I think he's proven that he can be useful when playing with talented players and I would have liked to have seen him on the 2nd line. I can't wait until we jettison Strome.

you never understood that cause it never actually happened...that is a stupid fan imagined thing. TB did not offer us Howden, Hajek, a 1st and conditional 1st for mcdonagh and then we added miller for namestinkov out of boredom. miller was added to the deal to up the overall return.

 

[True Blue]

How did he bring back a late 3rd? It's a 4th round pick.

It's Ottawa and they can be the worst team in the league this year. I rounded. Hence my use of the term "essentially a late third rounder".

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Okay maybe you don't think it's a problem but you asked "what's the downside" and you got an answer.

I'll bite—what is the downside?

No matter what you thought of Names and his contract; he's an NHL player and Haley/McKegg are not. Our bottom 6 is a ****hole devoid of offensive talent and while Names is not exactly an offensive beast, he at least has the capability. Unlike McKegg and Haley who respectively have point career highs of 11 and 12 and don't provide anything we already have.

I think Brooks said it best: the Rangers got rid of a 4th liner making over $3M. I don't think the season hinges on the 4th line generating offense.

Lemieux getting slotted up is fine and I think he deserves it but again the 4th line is just worse

But the third line got better

It was a senseless downgrade beyond saving cap space.

Why is that a small thing?

 

[True Blue]

Okay maybe you don't think it's a problem but you asked "what's the downside" and you got an answer.

No matter what you thought of Names and his contract; he's an NHL player and Haley/McKegg are not. Our bottom 6 is a ****hole devoid of offensive talent and while Names is not exactly an offensive beast, he at least has the capability. Unlike McKegg and Haley who respectively have point career highs of 11 and 12 and don't provide anything we don't already have.

Maybe all 4 lines do not need to be all slick, finesse players manning them? Sure he is a better player than McGegg and Haley, but how much more of an impact would he make playing with Smith as the other wing on his line? My bet is not really much at all. So yes, you describe the downside, but I actually think that it is fairly heavily outweighed by the upside of having more line up flexibility for the kids and not to mention another pick in a draft.

Lemieux getting slotted up is fine and I think he deserves it but again the 4th line is just worse now and we lost a good PKer who could play different positions. It was a senseless downgrade beyond saving cap space.

Would you rather he walked away at the end for nothing? The fact that Gorton got the pick that he did is a minor miracle. How is it senseless if you got an asset, cap room and line up flexibility?

I don't disagree that you should move overpriced players especially in this cap climate but McKegg is ****ing awful and will replace nothing but Namestnikov's skates.

Again, just what do you think that Namestnikov was going to produce there with whomever plays center and Smith?

 

[TheTakedown]

If we sign Boyle now, in which there was mentioned interest in doing a while back, and he returns a 3rd at the TDL, that is good asset management IMO. Cap space, a 3rd, a 4th, good part of the year with Boyles services and a flier on Ebert who is RFA. For Namestnikov? Badabing

This. You'd effectively return two "nothing" players for a 3rd and a 4th, bank additional cap space so that when the deadline comes around you can probably squeeze an additional pick out of another team to act as a salary retaining team

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I never understood adding JT Miller to the MacD deal so we could get Namestnikov. Understand it less now.

I don't think Namestnikov needed to be here but I think he's proven that he can be useful when playing with talented players and I would have liked to have seen him on the 2nd line. I can't wait until we jettison Strome.

He didn’t add Miller for Namestnikov, without Miller and Namestnikov, Tampa felt the deal was unbalanced, Rangers agreed to add Miller and then they also felt it was unbalanced so Namestnikov was added to even it out

 

[Raspewtin]

I'll bite—what is the downside?

we dropped an NHL'er for a non NHL'er.

I think Brooks said it best: the Rangers got rid of a 4th liner making over $3M. I don't think the season hinges on the 4th line generating offense.

Nobody said it does. Why does it need to be season-altering to be addressed?

But the third line got better

You could've just as easily slotted Lemieux up with Namestnikov on the roster.

Why is that a small thing?

Are we trying to win games or bank cap space just because?

If we're trying to bank space, get rid of Strome who sucks at literally everything.

 

[Lua]

The cap implications of this can be either a small or significant thing, pending another roster move. Until then, there isn't much point in doing anything other than take a wait and see approach. We can talk about how it's a downgrade for no reason once it becomes clear we aren't utilizing the extra cap space in a hockey trade.

The Rangers are in the very rare position where it might be justifiable to "overpay" in a trade for the right square peg for our square hole.

 

[True Blue]

We can talk about how it's a downgrade for no reason once it becomes clear we aren't utilizing the extra cap space in a hockey trade.

Even if there absolutely no trades to utilize the roster space, there is still no downgrade. You brought back another asset in a draft pick and created line up flexibility. That is more than enough for me.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

we dropped an NHL'er for a non NHL'er.

We dropped for an overpaid mediocre NHLer for upside.

Nobody said it does. Why does it need to be season-altering to be addressed?

Taking Namestnikov off this team is season-altering? Yikes.

You could've just as easily slotted Lemieux up with Namestnikov on the roster.

But they didn't.

Are we trying to win games or bank cap space just because?

We're trying to develop players. And having cap space and roster flexibility is never a bad thing.

If we're trying to bank space, get rid of Strome who sucks at literally everything.

Patience.

 

[LORDE]

If you want to be upset about the trade be upset that we traded for him in the first place which was awful. Then be upset that we gave him and spooner extensions.

This and I am, but mostly to the bolded.

Could've nabbed anyone off the wire or via UFA who's a vet on a 1 year deal if we needed bodies, but they tried to turn these guys into assets and it failed, but whatever

 

[TheTakedown]

The Ottawa 4th in 2021 will still be essentially late 3rd. Ottawa will still stink in 20-21.

It would have been nice to get more but Namestnikov was not getting the opportunity to increase his value. He isn’t playing on the top two lines. He isn’t getting any significant power play time. How is Namestnikov increasing his value? He isn’t increasing his value playing on the 3rd or 4th line.

It seems like Namestnikov wanted to be traded. He is looking for a new contract and he needs to have a good year. Namestnikov is playing for his NHL career. Look at how many players had trouble getting a decent contract this summer.

The Rangers can’t have an unhappy player in their room. Especially on a young team.

Agreed @RangerBoy

 

[Raspewtin]

Maybe all 4 lines do not need to be all slick, finesse players manning them? Sure he is a better player than McGegg and Haley, but how much more of an impact would he make playing with Smith as the other wing on his line? My bet is not really much at all. So yes, you describe the downside, but I actually think that it is fairly heavily outweighed by the upside of having more line up flexibility for the kids and not to mention another pick in a draft.

Who is advocating for "slick, finesse" players? In what world does that describe Namestnikov?

What flexibility do we need for the kids? If Kravtsov is amazing and we need him, call him up and scratch someone. We didn't need a trade to create this flexibility.

And again if we want it that bad, trade Strome who's terrible.

Would you rather he walked away at the end for nothing? The fact that Gorton got the pick that he did is a minor miracle. How is it senseless if you got an asset, cap room and line up flexibility?

Does the trade deadline not exist? The Namestnikovs of the NHL are always traded in that timeframe. It also gives the team time to evaluate who they really are what their roster building goals for the year should be.

Again, just what do you think that Namestnikov was going to produce there with whomever plays center and Smith?

More than garbage like Haley and McKegg but I'm not interested in continuing this conversation.

 

[BKGooner]

Did I miss something? This is official season three of the rebuild. Coming in 18th in a 31 team league doesn't hinge on Vlad Namestnikov, especially when coming in like 25th would be better. I know I am being cynical and casting aspersions at the projected 82-0 season buoyed by Mika's 328 points. Was the trade value for Namestnikov's contract improving between now and March? Next guys getting free airfare and new sweaters are Kreider (if he doesn't sign a team friendly deal), Strome (if he doesn't completely crater his trade value), and Buch (if Bread and Zibs make him look good enough to bring back a nice pick). Keep cracking eggs Gorts, as long as you make an actual tasty omelette.

 

[Raspewtin]

We dropped for an overpaid mediocre NHLer for upside.

Who is the upside? Lemieux?

Taking Namestnikov off this team is season-altering? Yikes.

That's not what I said. I asked why does a movement need to be season altering to be discussed with you.

But they didn't.

Surely that's a David Quinn problem isn't it? Did we have to take the coach's toys away?

 

[TheTakedown]

shattenkirk again lol.

not only was he bought out for cap space, he was bought out because we weren't going to have a 7 million dollar 7th dman that couldn't kill penalties. he would have been blocking one of 23 or 77. does anyone want that? no.

smith plays wing plays left D plays right D kills penalties as a right d while playing wing. I mean this was a no brainer who to buy out. and you still give namestnikov away because he's making 4 mil to do nothing but block a more useful guy.

Not to mention Shatts clearly had minimal value around the league. We couldn't move him at 50% for 2 years left on that contract... that's $3.37M... Gorts had his hands tied. I'm convinced that the knee injury was WAY worse than anyone has been publicly informed... Pretty sure the league higher ups are privy to this.