Dreger: NYR interested in Rickard Rakell, JT Miller & Ben Chiarot

Barnaby

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Sorry, are Dreger and Friedman Canucks fans now? Doesn't really matter what either fanbase thinks, it's been confirmed Rags are hard after him. Even if NYR fans aren't "pining for Miller," your GM sure appears to be.

I was obviously referring to fans starting these proposals then having meltdowns when Ranger fans don’t want to meet their ask. I don’t want to pay Canuck fans ask hence I haven’t been tossing you low level trade offers. What will Drury end up doing? I don’t know and his track record is pretty short at this point so it’s tough to tell. I’ve also seen it mentioned that Schneider is a non starter but every Canfucj fan ask starts there. Am I supposed to start tossing out offers that I wouldn’t make just to appease Canuck fans?
 

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Define numbers aren't good this year please? He is on pace for a career year in goals and points. PS he always takes a ton of penalties. Being a physical beast that enjoys being the villain does that in the regular season.

Teams aren't interested in his offensive output. I don't see that as a selling point. The advanced stats I've seen point to him having a bad year. I don't know where to get that info though, so I'll leave it to someone else to post.
 

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Who? And to do what? What other team is giving up a first for a guy who would be a bottom pairing guy?

If another team see's Chiarot as a top 4 dman they might give up a first, but that is not going to drive Drury to give up a first just to get him.

We're saying the same thing. I'd posit that he could be a top 4 guy in Minnesota or Edmonton. But Drury would be a fool to give up that pick for a player that would be more of a luxury rather than filling a much needed hole.

I guess what I should have said is don't underestimate what GMs are willing to give up for rentals especially if they feel they're about to lose out on another team. I wouldn't be shocked at all if come deadline day, MTL gets a first for Chiarot.
 

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Personally, I have not found one offer appealing.

Not interest in Chytil, Lundkvist or Kravtsov. And the 1st is late so it holds lesser value.

For a Top 15 point producer in the league signed to a very good deal and a year still remaining, it has to be quality.

That's why I just don't see a deal with the Rangers happening.
For Boeser though? Surely we will not be getting more than maybe a 1st plus ok prospect… it’s one thing if it’s just not your preference. I am just trying to be realistic with the return.
 

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Thats fair and I can understand that.

However, its easy to listen to the actual insiders who say The Rangers are hard after Chiarot and not some some keyboard GM.

Besides, its March break and there haven't been any trades in bit so we are all bored and need something to debate.....

That’s fair. I assume the Rangers aren’t making 3 massive deals. I just see it more reasonable that they use big pieces on a forward then maybe address depth on the back end in a smaller deal. The insiders always seem to list the Rangers being interested in everyone.
 

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Teams aren't interested in his offensive output. I don't see that as a selling point. The advanced stats I've seen point to him having a bad year. I don't know where to get that info though, so I'll leave it to someone else to post.

Advanced stats are heavily flawed still in terms of Defensive Defenseman. Many advanced stats had Weber as a terrible Dman clearly not the case.

Also regarding the advanced stats, there isn't a Hab with good advanced metrics this year.
 

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Rakell played well with zib in the past… prob makes a lot of sense

I do prefer Miller only because of the grit physical style he brings and willing to crash the net, he is better suited for the playoffs. I still think the top 6 outside of Kreider is a little soft especially for the playoffs. Rakell is a good player and I would not mind him especially his chemistry with Mika, if he was our only option but I prefer Miller
 
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If the only way to get Chiarot is with a 1st round pick, then he isn't going to the Rangers. It makes no sense to spend a 1st on a 3rd pair dman. Whether you think he is better than 3rd pair is irrelevant. That's where he would play on the Rangers.
That’s a fair take, although 2nd 3rd pair can be a distinction without a difference once playoff time rolls around. Chiarot is going to play 20-24 a night, hard assignments, shut down, brutally physical. You may have that covered, most teams find they don’t once the playoffs start
 
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I do prefer Miller only because of the grit physical style he brings and willing to crash the net, he is better suited for the playoffs. I still think the top 6 outside of Kreider is a little soft especially for the playoffs. Rakell is a good player and I would not mind him especially his chemistry with Mika, if he was our only option but I prefer Miller
They're not moving Lafreniere off that line.
 

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Savard was better than Chiarot.
Not even close. That’s the issue with these Chiarot takes, I’m convinced no one weighing in has watched him play.

Not a big deal, Habs fans got it wrong when we signed him and claimed he was a plug.

50+ playoff games the past 4 years, mobile, big and will probably hit 10 goals this year.

Everyone is sleeping on him, very bizarre. He is the type of player every team should want. NHL
scouts and GM’s will known what they are gettimg thankfully
 

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If i'm giving up a 1st or Lundkvist-level prospect for a player (let alone both or more), it's someone like Yanni Gourde who'd be under contract at an affordable rate for multiple seasons. Not a 6-7 D like Chiarot. Not a JT Miller the team can't afford to re-sign. Not a Rickard Rakell who doesn't have a place in the Rangers top 6 when the team is healthy, assuming he is even at that level anymore. Not an Arturi Lehkonen who's not even at 1/2 PPG & will want a raise in a role the Rangers don't need.
6-7 D lol. You guys are the best.

Does anyone here follow hockey?
 

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Trouba and Kreider both have their NMCs end in 2 years, after which they are tradeable. Schneider is the long term replacement for Trouba. Hopefully one of Othmann or Cuylle can replace Kreider's goal scoring. Or maybe Laf can learn to play Kreider's role on the PP. He had a nice deflection goal recently and another goal off a rebound just outside the blue paint.

Our only real issue long term is 2C, and we have limited cap space next year to fill that position. We can clear some space if we trade Chytil and/or Nemeth. Nemeth should be gone regardless.

Short term, we need a RW and maybe a LD. Adding someone like Rakell makes sense. He can score goals, play RW and is on an expiring contract. If we are adding anyone with term, they need to be a center. Preferably, a good 2 way center. We are more likely to address that need in the summer, I think.

Again, we aren't going all in. We should not be treating this as a 1 or 2 year window to win. We are one of the youngest teams in the league and have a bunch of young players who have yet to peak. Older players will be moved eventually, whether they maintain their current play or not. That's just the way it is with the salary cap. Teams need a steady influx of young talent to remain contenders while staying under the cap. Which is exactly why Schneider will not be traded.

this all makes sense. but i wonder how tradable 30 year old Trouba will be with $8M caphit for 2 more years. Otherwise likely looking at nearly $19M for the top 2 RD with the 3rd needing a big raise.

But I could see paying something then to get rid of him preferable to losing Schneider now, even if it meant adding Miller for your C issue. So, Lundqvist not a solution that would make Schneider loss palpable?
 

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What would Vancouver want for Hoglander? Rangers were interested in him in his draft year, and he fits the long-term needs of the Rangers much better than the speculated rentals.

In the same vein, what would Toronto want for Nick Robertson?
An elite player coming back with them adding. Vancouver and Toronto both need young players to either step in or contribute to the teams success, they shouldn't be trading for another prospect/pick.
 

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As a Ducks fan I'd love a deal where Raks goes to NYR and we flip the assets and add a bit to get Boeser in Anaheim. NYR first plus one of our prospects and maybe a 3rd asset depending on the second piece.
 

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