Friedman: NYR giving Kravtsov permission to seek trade

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

There's the professional role in hockey called scouting. If there is interest in the kid, I'm sure it's because some professionals determined he is worth it because Kravtsov is also a potential top six talent. I mean, what a weird statement. What has a potential top six talent ever done to show that they are even an NHL player? Oh btw, Kravtsov has this record in the KHL for most points by a U21 Player. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He doesn't have the record. Tarasenko had 47 points in 54 games in one of his U21 seasons, Kuznetsov had three U21 seasons with 44, 41, and 32 points.

Kravstov was definitely a good U21 player by KHL standards but wasn't a record breaker by any means with his 24 points.

Even in the playoffs Tarasenko still has the record with 15 points in 16 games.

 

[Smitty426]

Let him sit.

This is worse for him than the Rangers.

Hes not been an integral part of the team. Hes played a grand total of 20 NHL games.

You can't miss something you never really had.

This move hurts him a whole hell of a lot more than it hurts the Rangers. His absence doesn't even sting.

To some degree. But you guys wont get fair value for him. With recent injuries in the short term it may be an issue

 

[jay from jersey]

I’d give Rasmussen. More NHL guarantee but less potential. Neither has lived up to their draft pedigree at all.

we would have to find another winger to trade first though to make room for Kratsov

That’s about what I see him being valued as a 1 for 1 deal.
Kravtsov being the X factor, because if he hits his ceiling, obviously it’s not a deal the rangers come away ahead in.
The wings were also very high on Kravtsov and Lundkvist in their draft years FWIW.

if I’m Drury, I’d rather just take a 2nd rd pick for Krav at this point. The next 2 drafts are strong and the rangers don’t really have any huge holes in their line up currently. It could be argued they need an upgrade at 2C, but they still have strome for the rest of the season, as well as needing to see if Chytil can handle the increased usage/minutes/opportunities
It’s a better option imo, then taking a guy you know Kravy is going to have a higher ceiling then. Stock the farm more, try to hit a home run on the pick and whoever they chose will have more years of control and hopefully be of need when the rangers have more roster spots open.
The only trade where I think we can come out well 1 for 1 wise is on a solid goalie prospect. Goalies don’t usually carry a ton of value, and we don’t have a lot of insurance for shesty in our system currently

 

[Atoyot]

There's the professional role in hockey called scouting. If there is interest in the kid, I'm sure it's because some professionals determined he is worth it because Kravtsov is also a potential top six talent. I mean, what a weird statement. What has a potential top six talent ever done to show that they are even an NHL player? Oh btw, Kravtsov has this record in the KHL for most points by a U21 Player. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What? No he doesn't. Not even close. He has the 30th best U21 season. In a league that's existed for 12 seasons. There's on average over 2.5 players that have a better U21 season every year. Is this a commonly held belief? Is this why Kravtsov is so wildly overrated here? He hasn't put up impressive numbers anywhere that he's played. I know points aren't everything, but if he's not putting them up in the KHL or AHL I don't know why people think he's going to figure it out in the NHL.

 

[bernmeister]

That’s about what I see him being valued as a 1 for 1 deal.
Kravtsov being the X factor, because if he hits his ceiling, obviously it’s not a deal the rangers come away ahead in.
The wings were also very high on Kravtsov and Lundkvist in their draft years FWIW.

if I’m Drury, I’d rather just take a 2nd rd pick for Krav at this point. The next 2 drafts are strong and the rangers don’t really have any huge holes in their line up currently. It could be argued they need an upgrade at 2C, but they still have strome for the rest of the season, as well as needing to see if Chytil can handle the increased usage/minutes/opportunities
It’s a better option imo, then taking a guy you know Kravy is going to have a higher ceiling then. Stock the farm more, try to hit a home run on the pick and whoever they chose will have more years of control and hopefully be of need when the rangers have more roster spots open.
The only trade where I think we can come out well 1 for 1 wise is on a solid goalie prospect. Goalies don’t usually carry a ton of value, and we don’t have a lot of insurance for shesty in our system currently

can't sign on to the easy way out and just take less for him

that you do with a headache like Deangelo or a malcontent like Lias

this guy has a legit beef x 2.

If we get close to acceptably high offer now, fine.
If not, hold.

I can see something like
9OA Krav + Hajek + Rooney
for
8OA Broberg

yes that's too many D, but Rome wasn't built in a day and w/better skating also tall Broberg, you can flip KAM

 

[North Cole]

But yet Oilers wanted a 1st + Lias Andersson from NYR

I assume he just means that's what buyers valued him at. Holland valued him at a 1st, and the fan base like all fanbases wanted even more.

 

[pld459666]

To some degree. But you guys wont get fair value for him. With recent injuries in the short term it may be an issue

Agreed. Fair value is out the window

 

[unicornpig]

can't sign on to the easy way out and just take less for him

that you do with a headache like Deangelo or a malcontent like Lias

this guy has a legit beef x 2.

If we get close to acceptably high offer now, fine.
If not, hold.

I can see something like
9OA Krav + Hajek + Rooney
for
8OA Broberg

yes that's too many D, but Rome wasn't built in a day and w/better skating also tall Broberg, you can flip KAM

And you would be delusional

 

[bernmeister]

Agreed. Fair value is out the window

not yet
it only is if we take a loss to be done and over with it quickly.

Like I said.
Let rosters settle
then take 2-3 wks to move Hajek/Strome.
That buys time.
Put him back on the club
let his value upgrade
then sell high

 

[pld459666]

not yet
it only is if we take a loss to be done and over with it quickly.

Like I said.
Let rosters settle
then take 2-3 wks to move Hajek/Strome.
That buys time.
Put him back on the club
let his value upgrade
then sell high

When was the last time an unproven prospect tjat wanted out brought back fair value.

Trust me whe I tell you that's a rhetorical question

 

[Heckler81]

When was the last time an unproven prospect tjat wanted out brought back fair value.

Trust me whe I tell you that's a rhetorical question

Fox for two 2nd round picks.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

would they do Luke Prokop
and a 2nd for the Russian Young Man ?

 

[bernmeister]

When was the last time an unproven prospect tjat wanted out brought back fair value.

Trust me whe I tell you that's a rhetorical question

1. 1st time for everything.
2. we are not forced to be guided by that. We hold the cards and can hold out if nec.
Howev. just holding him out in a vacuum is stupid.
Again, take good enuf deal, but no less.
If that is not immediately apparent, stop with the idiocy of self renting Strome who all agree we can't afford long term, deal RS and that = roster spot. Then use that roster spot for VK, develop + showcase and I'm inclined to say this wound is deep enuf, even if healed, he should be moved --- but for a good enuf return, not less.

 

[bernmeister]

would they do Luke Prokop
and a 2nd for the Russian Young Man ?

Prokop checks off a lot of boxes and is an intriguing suggestion.
A recent first round selection who is early in his elc [that helps in terms of cap mgmt dollars for Fox, LaF + KK deals], he caught my eye with his size and skating.
This would be a variant from my suggestion we do
Krav, Hajek + Rooney
for
Broberg who is more established as a likely player.

He's like 6'5 and 220 or so w/high speed. Think he's righty shot. Not sure if he only plays the one side.
Not clear and wanna know more if he is more stay at home w/that size, or with superior speed, is also a good puck mover.
Is he the rare breed who also hits, perhaps Parakyko lite?

The unspoken factor here is he came out as gay -- to quote Seinfeld "not that there's anything wrong with that" -- though we like to presume that would not be a problem in the locker room of most NHL clubs in 2021.

While it is possible we keep him ultimately, there is an obvious depth at both LD and RD atm, including young prospects.

However, if he is an asset who if not kept can retain most of his value, and may be readily flipped, I would be inclined to say yes as to him being the core piece.

That leaves the question of what is the best offer on the market. Would someone offer more for Krav? I could see Oilers doing a package with
Broberg, for ex. Yes, but I think that gap can be bridged here.
Counter:

Kravtsov + expiring Strome max retained 4.5 -> 2.25 + Hajek + WPG 2022 4th
for
Prokop + Glass + 2023 OR 2024 1st

Krav is a keeper, Nash can pay or flip Strome [and getting him at half this season ups his value], Hajek gets a home [he was lights out for first 4 NHL games then had a shoulder separation and was mishandled by NY, so there is outside hope w/correct partner he can recover top form, plus he is young]. Add a mid pick. Takes on small cap hit but Preds have ample room. The 1st is a small wince but Preds choose year, which is delayed, and it is not unreasonable to speculate that if a retained Strome is flipped, retained he certainly gets a 1st now. [So Preds pay a later 1st for a 1st now if they go that route.]

Rangers do acceptable talent swap, replace older [mid-late 20s] Strome who can't fit here $ wise with Glass, and upgrade the 4th into a delayed 1st. Small help w/cap now but setting up nicely for after this season on LaF + KK. Might even be able to do Fox deal now after this trade.

thoughts?

 

[vorky]

All the responsibility is on NHL clubs who sign more players than they need on NHL level. If you do not need a player on NHL level in upcoming season, do not sign the player. Let him play in Europe.

Another issue is with NHL clubs GM who lie to European prospects. They promise them the NHL ice--time but in reality they send them to AHL or juniors.

 

[TFHockey]

can't sign on to the easy way out and just take less for him

that you do with a headache like Deangelo or a malcontent like Lias

this guy has a legit beef x 2.

If we get close to acceptably high offer now, fine.
If not, hold.

I can see something like
9OA Krav + Hajek + Rooney
for
8OA Broberg

yes that's too many D, but Rome wasn't built in a day and w/better skating also tall Broberg, you can flip KAM

That isn't a good deal for the Oilers.

 

[pld459666]

Fox for two 2nd round picks.

While it turned out to be a steal for the Rangers, I thought they overpaid for a player that navigated his way here.

 

[bernmeister]

That isn't a good deal for the Oilers.

Actually prefering the Nashv deal but not sure why you say that.
Comparable talent on the primary pieces, you get secondary pieces free.

 

[LTIR]

Actually prefering the Nashv deal but not sure why you say that.
Comparable talent on the primary pieces, you get secondary pieces free.

Factor in the headcase entitlement factor and team need and Oilers pass easy with Pulju, Yama, Bourgault and even Holloway options for top 6 wing going forward. Oilers need Broberg to be a top 4 NHL LD in 2 yrs.

Kravtsov could be the secondary piece in a Broberg for KA Miller swap or swapped straight up for Ryan McLeod

 

[cwede]

Kravtsov could be the secondary piece in a Broberg for KA Miller swap or swapped straight up for Ryan McLeod

? why would NYR trade KAM for Broberg ?

NYR might prefer Lavoie over McLeod, extra waiver year, and a Q buddy for Laf

 

[ETTHAKING67]

What do you guys think about a Hayton-Kravstov swap ?

Maybe NYR would have to add a little bit but overall two prospect that haven't been able to crack the starting line-up and were drafter by a GM that have left their club.

Hayton
vs
Kravstov + Cond Pick

 

[Zats Muccarello]

What do you guys think about a Hayton-Kravstov swap ?

Maybe NYR would have to add a little bit but overall two prospect that haven't been able to crack the starting line-up and were drafter by a GM that have left their club.

Hayton
vs
Kravstov + Cond Pick

This is the deal I would like to see

 

[TFHockey]

Actually prefering the Nashv deal but not sure why you say that.
Comparable talent on the primary pieces, you get secondary pieces free.

Well we can debate value if you like, but really the Oilers are looking for D and a legit 1A goalie. Their forward lines are fine, finally.

 

[Canucks LB]

Whats the value here exactly?
Asked for a trade as a kid
Willing to play in the AHL, and Quality for the NHL for "1" year
Russia scare factor

The only incentive another team would want him is that he has "high" potential, And that's about it, Everything else absolutely cripples any sort of value he will have.

Trading for a player who you know you have to play or he will leave, is not gonna get you a top 6 forward or a top prospect

 

[LTIR]

? why would NYR trade KAM for Broberg ?

NYR might prefer Lavoie over McLeod, extra waiver year, and a Q buddy for Laf

Sure take Lavoie and EDM throws in Benson for free. McLeod being a C and much safer bet to be a NHL regular holds more value than Lavoie.