Friedman: NYR giving Kravtsov permission to seek trade

[Fatass]

That’s not what happened here though. Kravtsov should have made the team and the Rangers are taking advantage of the fact that he has options.

There are plenty of young players that seek trades because they aren’t getting minutes, across all sports. Not all of them publicly get suspended by the team of course, but it is certainly not unprecedented

What coach (team) purposely plays lesser guys? Maybe Kravtsov just isn’t good enough to make the big club in the role he’s best at?

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

The fighting lessons from Reaves must not have paid off

 

[McJedi]

I have issues with some of PB's takes, but this seems needlessly cruel.

It’s cruel but also likely true. It lacks tact.

 

[Savant]

What coach (team) purposely plays lesser guys? Maybe Kravtsov just isn’t good enough to make the big club in the role he’s best at?

It happens all the time. Look at baseball, service time manipulation is rampant there. This isn’t a hockey thing. Everyone and their mother know the Rangers are stuck with Gauthier and Hajek because they can’t send them to AHL without them hitting waivers, and everyone knows Drury doesn’t want to move them for nothing. So Drury tries to buy more time to find a better deal for those guys and since Kravtsov can go down without hitting waivers that’s what he tried to do. Kravtsov is right to be upset.

 

[Fatass]

It happens all the time. Look at baseball, service time manipulation is rampant there. This isn’t a hockey thing. Everyone and their mother know the Rangers are stuck with Gauthier and Hajek because they can’t send them to AHL without them hitting waivers, and everyone knows Drury doesn’t want to move them for nothing. So Drury tries to buy more time to find a better deal for those guys and since Kravtsov can go down without hitting waivers that’s what he tried to do. Kravtsov is right to be upset.

So the Rangers are purposely making their team worse? Isn’t it more likely this player isn’t good enough to play the role his skills fit?

 

[NYR Viper]

So the Rangers are purposely making their team worse? Isn’t it more likely this player isn’t good enough to play the role his skills fit?

I think if you look at the way the Rangers built their team for this season, the feel is that he is suited and capable of playing top-9 minutes right now, but their 3rd line appears to be more suited to playing a hard-nosed 2-way game. Other teams' 3rd lines are more offense.

In saying that, knowing that the Rangers 3rd line appears to be built in the mold of TB's 3rd line over the last couple of years, let's look at the Rangers top-6:

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kreider

Who exactly was he displacing from that group? Not all teams have that type of top-6 wing depth.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

So the Rangers are purposely making their team worse? Isn’t it more likely this player isn’t good enough to play the role his skills fit?

you could look at the wild this year and say they are playing worse players on purpose. Rossi/Boldy/Beckman vs Gaudreau/Pitlick/Rask. its not crazy when you have to look at more than just simply icing the best roster talent wise. cap and contracts play a big factor in things.

 

[Blueblood2]

Yikes

Was the guy given a real shot at camp? Rangers fans, fill us in

He was given a fair shot in camp and was clearly outplayed by Gauthier and Hunt. Does he have a potential greater upside than either...yes...but he hasnt been consistent in his play and in my opinion is not willing to play the 200 ft game at this point and get in the dirty areas. Also, they gave him the right to seek a trade but absolutely dont need to trade him unless its for the right deal. Let him sulk a bit but he needs to grow up. I believe he will eventually stay with Rangers and get another shot at NHL.

 

[Blueblood2]

We really SUCK ass when it comes to drafting 1st rounders. All our best players that made the best impacr (that we've drafted ourselves) have been mid to late picks.

Actually if you look at MOST 1st rounders they dont pan out so not something specific to Rangers.

 

[Savant]

So the Rangers are purposely making their team worse? Isn’t it more likely this player isn’t good enough to play the role his skills fit?

No. The Rangers trying to take advantage of waiver options. Yes - this is not a smart strategy.

 

[Blueblood2]

It’s cruel but also likely true. It lacks tact.

It's a business and he didnt perform as well as others in the organization. I actually like this tact. If you look at great organizations they take the emotion out of their decisions. I dont buy that his time with the Rangers is up unless they get a fair return. He has a contract.

 

[bigdog16]

That’s not what happened here though. Kravtsov should have made the team and the Rangers are taking advantage of the fact that he has options.

There are plenty of young players that seek trades because they aren’t getting minutes, across all sports. Not all of them publicly get suspended by the team of course, but it is certainly not unprecedented

Its a business, not everything is butterflies and rainbows and hand gifted spots in the NHL. Welcome to the real world. This kid would be on unemployment if he wasnt a professional athlete with that attitude

 

[Savant]

Its a business, not everything is butterflies and rainbows and hand gifted spots in the NHL. Welcome to the real world. This kid would be on unemployment if he wasnt a professional athlete with that attitude

But he is a professional athlete and he has earned a spot. He is right to be upset. He didn’t get sent to Hartford because he wasn’t good enough. He got sent because he had AHL options. This isn’t a pull yourself up by your bootstraps scenario. Rangers are playing games with him and they shouldn’t be.

 

[JayB]

(PHI) Morgan Frost <-> Vitali Kravtsov (NYR)

Opinions?

 

[SML2]

But he is a professional athlete and he has earned a spot. He is right to be upset. He didn’t get sent to Hartford because he wasn’t good enough. He got sent because he had AHL options. This isn’t a pull yourself up by your bootstraps scenario. Rangers are playing games with him and they shouldn’t be.

The bigger gripe for me would be when they are sending guys up and down during the season to save their daily cap hit without them actually reporting. That to me is just stealing money from a young player. There should be an envelope of cash waiting for a guy they are doing that to, IMO.

 

[Savant]

The bigger gripe for me would be when they are sending guys up and down during the season to save their daily cap hit without them actually reporting. That to me is just stealing money from a young player. There should be an envelope of cash waiting for a guy they are doing that to, IMO.

And this is certainly a part of why Kravtsov is rightfully upset. He’d get millions in the KHL too. Kravtsov isn’t the bad guy here.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He was given a fair shot in camp and was clearly outplayed by Gauthier and Hunt. Does he have a potential greater upside than either...yes...but he hasnt been consistent in his play and in my opinion is not willing to play the 200 ft game at this point and get in the dirty areas. Also, they gave him the right to seek a trade but absolutely dont need to trade him unless its for the right deal. Let him sulk a bit but he needs to grow up. I believe he will eventually stay with Rangers and get another shot at NHL.

Yea the first man in deep on every single forecheck and first man back on every single backcheck, always before the Center and about 75% of the time before the second Dman; doesn’t play a 200ft game. Lmao

 

[EXTRAS]

Seattle should try to grab Kravtsov. Would be a nice young add for a new team. If he can become a 60+ point guy in the next few years it would be a lot of fun.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Just Button I think

It was only Button.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

It would be the last thing he ever did....

He'd be swimming with the fish in the Hudson River, lol.

 

[bigdog16]

But he is a professional athlete and he has earned a spot. He is right to be upset. He didn’t get sent to Hartford because he wasn’t good enough. He got sent because he had AHL options. This isn’t a pull yourself up by your bootstraps scenario. Rangers are playing games with him and they shouldn’t be.

And guess what, professional sports are a business. Nobody cares about your feelings

 

[TML1967]

Who has room on their NHL roster for a 3W?
He doesn't seem like a 4th line type player, so probably needs 3rd line spot.

Before they signed Ennis, Ottawa would have made a ton of sense.
Buffalo is a logical fit, as he could bump Drake Cagiula.
New Jersey may be a fit if he replaces Vesey on the 4th line.
SJS could be a fit if Nieto doesnt work out.

All of these teams have the cap and roster space to keep him in the NHL.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

But he is a professional athlete and he has earned a spot. He is right to be upset. He didn’t get sent to Hartford because he wasn’t good enough. He got sent because he had AHL options. This isn’t a pull yourself up by your bootstraps scenario. Rangers are playing games with him and they shouldn’t be.

The Rangers are not playing games, and are not in the business of rewarding individuals in a vacuum. The organization has to assemble the best team possible, not the best collection of individuals. They have to take into consideration not just individual performances but also team needs, the CBA, rules for call-ups, waivers. They also have to manage the salary cap. And finally, they have to take into consideration team chemistry, locker room dynamics, predictability and consistency. These factors explain why, when things are close, veterans are favored over rookies.

When you are a younger player, you should really outplay the competition and leave the team no choice. Otherwise, you're going to need the stars to be aligned and it will take more time.

 

[Savant]

The Rangers are not playing games, and are not in the business of rewarding individuals in a vacuum. The organization has to assemble the best team possible, not the best collection of individuals. They have to take into consideration not just individual performances but also team needs, the CBA, rules for call-ups, waivers. They also have to manage the salary cap. And finally, they have to take into consideration team chemistry, locker room dynamics, predictability and consistency. These factors explain why, when things are close, veterans are favored over rookies.

When you are a younger player, you should really outplay the competition and leave the team no choice. Otherwise, you're going to need the stars to be aligned and it will take more time.

But that isn’t what happened.

 

[JT Kreider]

The Rangers are not playing games, and are not in the business of rewarding individuals in a vacuum

Well that is news to me considering the amount of money they threw at failed UFA after failed UFA that did nothing for the Rangers before or after