Confirmed Trade: [NYR/FLA] Dylan McIlrath for Steven Kampfer and conditional 7th

[Machinehead]

You also said he is "the worlds best complimentary partner".

That's a pretty outrageous claim.

That was, as a matter of fact, hyperbole.

Hyperbole gets a bad rap around here but it's different from exaggeration. Exaggeration is making an outrageous claim. See also: puffery.

Hyperbole is expressive ornamentation used to convey a point, and is not meant to be taken literally, but as a figurative representation of the point being expressed.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That was, as a matter of fact, hyperbole.

Hyperbole gets a bad rap around here but it's different from exaggeration. Exaggeration is making an outrageous claim. See also: puffery.

Hyperbole is expressive ornamentation used to convey a point, and is not meant to be taken literally, but as a figurative representation of the point being expressed.

Have you at least admitted you were wrong about the fowler vs Mciirath stuff?

 

[Machinehead]

Have you at least admitted you were wrong about the fowler vs Mciirath stuff?

I said I didn't regret not taking Fowler. I still don't. I still don't think he's a good player and I still have no interest in him being on the Rangers.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Explain to me then, with the hundreds of Predators games I'm sure you've watched, what makes Josi good defensively.

All I ever hear is "you can't interpret stats" but I wanna hear somebody interpret hockey.

And I don't wanna here "X coach and Y GM thinks he's good" either, I wanna hear a hockey argument.

-He scores like a 1st line forward

-He's a positive Goals For% player both literally and relatively despite being negatives in shot attempts.

So, he's outscored his opposition (some of the toughest BTW in terms of minutes and players he play against) while being the driver on offense (finishing 2nd and 3rd in team scoring last year and the year before, respectively).

...But shot attempts are all that matter right?

In hockey, you OUTSCORE the opponent to win games, NOT OUTSHOT ATTEMPT. Josi regularly outscored his oppostion while being the key driver on offense while absorbing his teams most difficult defensive assignnments.

 

[Sojourn]

It means writers can't properly interpret statistics.

Or they don't understand their significance, or what influences them. Particularly when we're looking at them on an individual(player) level.

Let's face it. You don't need to be a statistician to understand the significance a player's role can have on numbers like this. Or linemates. Or any number of variables. You just need to watch the game, and see how different coaches use different players. This is where common sense and logic really come to the forefront. Hockey is a complicated game, and when we're looking at individual players, it's beneficial to look at more than shot differential and shooting percentages when gauging a player's worth. You need to see what contributes to those numbers, and it isn't as simple as "this player sucks" or "this player is good". That's just being lazy.

 

[Machinehead]

-He scores like a 1st line forward

-He's a positive Goals For% player both literally and relatively despite being negatives in shot attempts.

So, he's outscored his opposition (some of the toughest BTW in terms of minutes and players he play against) while being the driver on offense (finishing 2nd and 3rd in scoring last year and the year before, respectively).

...But shot attempts are all that matter right?

Ok, so what you've argued here is that he's good offensively. So we agree there.

 

[Machinehead]

In hockey, you OUTSCORE the opponent to win games, NOT OUTSHOT ATTEMPT.

Oh boy, this argument again.

Something that happens 0-6 times a game is a more reliable sample than something that happens 60-100 times a game.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Good times when some Rangers fans hyped him up last year off a 10 game sample. Next Shea Weber!

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Best of luck to Mcilrath in Florida, in the right situation he still should be able to succeed; unfortunately wasn't gona happen here.

 

[Sojourn]

I said I didn't regret not taking Fowler. I still don't. I still don't think he's a good player and I still have no interest in him being on the Rangers.

Uh huh.

Obviously the pick was Tarasenko there, but if I could go back I'd still pick McIlrath over Fowler with ease.

I never liked Fowler. Never understood what people like about him. He was better when they were teenagers. He's not better now and he won't be better going forward.

I'm not saying McIlrath is some Norris winner by saying he's better than Fowler. I'm saying he has two arms and a pulse.

You were wrong.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Keith Yandle wants to play with him. Is Yandle following the numbers around like a lemming?

Weren't you the one who said he's better than Fowler and a future top pairing D? Shouldn't the fact he couldn't be given away for free while making basically the league minimum tell you he's a borderline NHL player?

 

[ScarTroy]

I said I didn't regret not taking Fowler. I still don't. I still don't think he's a good player and I still have no interest in him being on the Rangers.

Just admit you're wrong and move on. We get it you wouldn't want Fowler on the Rangers, problem is, you've shown that you aren't the greatest at evaluating talent.

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

Just admit you're wrong and move on. We get it you wouldn't want Fowler on the Rangers, problem is, you've shown that you aren't the greatest at evaluating talent.

Stats Gone Wrong: A Hfboards Story

 

[Lurked4Yearz]

He's had 6 years to make a case in New York, and he failed to earn a full time roster spot. Hopefully he does better in Florida.

 

[Machinehead]

Uh huh.






You were wrong.

I'm wrong because the Rangers traded McIlrath? Fowler is still crap.

 

[Machinehead]

Weren't you the one who said he's better than Fowler and a future top pairing D? Shouldn't the fact he couldn't be given away for free while making basically the league minimum tell you he's a borderline NHL player?

Never said he was a future top pairing D

 

[Sojourn]

I'm wrong because the Rangers traded McIlrath? Fowler is still crap.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/denial

Happy to help.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Why are people even discussion Fowler vs Mcilrath in this thread. Fowler is obviously better than Mcilrath and it isnt close! With that said, i definetly think Mcilrath is a NHL defensemen. AV hated him and Mcilrath played great with Yandle last season when he got to play. Never got a real chance in NY except some stretches where he got to play because of injuries and he played solid, hopefully he can be a very solid bottom pair player or a reliable/good top 4 for Florida for the next 5-10 years. Wish Mcilrath all the best and he needed to get away from AV to get a chance at NHL level.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm wrong because the Rangers traded McIlrath? Fowler is still crap.

Fowler playing 24+ mins a night of productive nhl hockey... mciirath being given away.

 

[Lurked4Yearz]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/denial

Happy to help.

He's got 21 posts in this thread already and he's only at the first stage

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Why are people even discussion Fowler vs Mcilrath in this thread. Fowler is obviously better than Mcilrath and it isnt close! With that said, i definetly think Mcilrath is a NHL defensemen. AV hated him and Mcilrath played great with Yandle last season when he got to play. Never got a real chance in NY except some stretches where he got to play because of injuries and he played solid, hopefully he can be a very solid bottom pair player or a reliable/good top 4 for Florida for the next 5-10 years. Wish Mcilrath all the best and he needed to get away from AV to get a chance at NHL level.

I agree hence why I said I wish the ducks picked him up to pair with lindholm or Fowler in the future.5

 

[Tripod]

Why are people even discussion Fowler vs Mcilrath in this thread. Fowler is obviously better than Mcilrath and it isnt close! With that said, i definetly think Mcilrath is a NHL defensemen. AV hated him and Mcilrath played great with Yandle last season when he got to play. Never got a real chance in NY except some stretches where he got to play because of injuries and he played solid, hopefully he can be a very solid bottom pair player or a reliable/good top 4 for Florida for the next 5-10 years. Wish Mcilrath all the best and he needed to get away from AV to get a chance at NHL level.

Because a certain someone was quite defiant in saying McIlrath was better than Fowler. He stood by that opinion and tried to use last years small sample size to prove it.

Now with McI being waived, then traded for a borderline NHLer, there should be no debate....yet someone is still defiant. And it's funny as hell to see!!

Oh....and because the NYR picked Wrath at 10 when they could of had Fowler who went at 12.

 

[Savant]

You're kind of (conveniently) missing the main point with McIlrath.

It was never simply about being a 10th overall pick. It was who was still available when New York decided to pick him 10th overall. At the time, it was surprising and questionable. Now? It's idiotic. Showing us a list of other 10th overall picks is just an attempt to justify it. The reason it was such a questionable pick was because there were a number of much better prospects still available, and a number of those better prospects have been much, much better players at the NHL level.

Edit: As an example, Jack Campbell was drafted high too. He has also failed to be worth where he was picked. The difference? People understood why he was picked where he was, and why he was chosen ahead of names like Tarasenko and Fowler. It was a risk because he was a goaltender, but he was viewed as a potential stud goaltender. McIlrath was always a questionable pick.

The Rangers would have taken Tarasenko if not for the Cherepanov incident (RIP). The Rangers ranked McIlrath ahead of Fowler because they wanted a different skill set of player compared to Del Zotto who had a great rookie season. Del Zotto justified this until Malkin almost accidentally killed him.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the fact is simply that the Rangers went by their board. It didn't work out; (stuff) happens. There was some logic to it at the time. I didn't like the pick when it happened and obviously it didn't work out. McIlrath never recovered from the knee injury that he got from Kyle Jean running into him at his first camp. He showed flashes last year, but he was never going to fit in with how the Rangers play currently.

It's interesting that the Rangers got Kampfer, considering they had him before but he is likely AHL/waiver fodder. These things happen. McIlrath didn't exactly hurt the Rangers it just didn't work out. On to the next one.

 

[rynryn]

I'm wrong because the Rangers traded McIlrath? Fowler is still crap.

at the very least you'd have to admit the rest of the world aside from McIlraths family value Fowler more than him, and if you had Fowler you would have got a lot more from the trade. So you still don't regret it?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

How ironic, Dylan, heading to FLA to watch as his career continues, knocking on heaven's door.