Confirmed Trade: [NYR/FLA] Dylan McIlrath for Steven Kampfer and conditional 7th

[SnoopDogg]

Hard to believe this is what a former 10th overall pick got.. he really must've sucked.

 

[lawrence]

McIlrath is the guy that couldn't even take the 6th spot on the Rangers right?

 

[a tribe cq]

Pretty disheartening it's come to this. Guy was a lot better then all the comments from people who haven't seen him player are making it seem.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Feel bad for Mcilrath, he never really got a chance in NY.... Was very solid with Yandle last season when they played together! Hopefully he get a chance in Florida and takes it!

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Was kinda hoping anahiem would pick up Mciirath, Thought he was a player that could succeed in Anaheim(replace stoner if he gets traded), and kinda fits in with the general age of our defense.

Whats his biggest issue to why he isn't succeeding? (on ice not the AV reasoning we hear).

 

[cwgatti]

That trade was made to clear NYR Cap space?

 

[WesMcCauley]

Was kinda hoping anahiem would pick up Mciirath, Thought he was a player that could succeed in Anaheim(replace stoner if he gets traded), and kinda fits in with the general age of our defense.

Whats his biggest issue to why he isn't succeeding? (on ice not the AV reasoning we hear).

To be honest he is pretty decent at everything... I think he is a solid bottom pair guy, i also thought John Moore was a solid bottom pair defensemen when we had him in NY and alot of people didnt agree with me on that..

 

[Machinehead]

McIlrath is the guy that couldn't even take the 6th spot on the Rangers right?

He hadn't been good this year, but he never had a legitimate chance at that spot either.

He was never going to play for the Rangers as long as AV was coach, barring injuries.

 

[SnoopDogg]

I would've given up a 3rd personally

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

The conditional 7th puts this one over the top. That is the proverbial bag of pucks.

 

[Trxjw]

Was kinda hoping anahiem would pick up Mciirath, Thought he was a player that could succeed in Anaheim(replace stoner if he gets traded), and kinda fits in with the general age of our defense.

Whats his biggest issue to why he isn't succeeding? (on ice not the AV reasoning we hear).

His pivots never really improved and he has a habit of getting caught flat footed and tripping over himself. This year he seemed to be desperately trying to make something happen instead of just keeping it simple and it caused him to make a lot of mistakes. Door was wide open for him to make the team and he just couldn't put a good game together.

The AV thing is overblown, but certainly valid. The Rangers could have just hung on to him and hoped he ran with the demotion to Hartford, but instead they deal him for peanuts. I think the front office knew he'd never get another chance with AV at the helm and it was unfair to hold him back from a fresh start.

 

[EpicDing]

Soild bottom pair guy at least. Definitely better than Girardi. AV dodn't gove him a solid chance, benched over little mistakes that other dmen made constantly too.

FLA should play hom a few games with Yandle if they have a hole, try to recapture that chemistry from about 20 games last year.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

His pivots never really improved and he has a habit of getting caught flat footed and tripping over himself. This year he seemed to be desperately trying to make something happen instead of just keeping it simple and it caused him to make a lot of mistakes. Door was wide open for him to make the team and he just couldn't put a good game together.

The AV thing is overblown, but certainly valid. The Rangers could have just hung on to him and hoped he ran with the demotion to Hartford, but instead they deal him for peanuts. I think the front office knew he'd never get another chance with AV at the helm and it was unfair to hold him back from a fresh start.

I kinda imagined he woulda been a great partner for fowler(ironically ) or lindholm and let manson play with fowler. I always see fairly good praise from ranger fans so was just curious to see what his weaknesses were.

 

[Machinehead]

Was kinda hoping anahiem would pick up Mciirath, Thought he was a player that could succeed in Anaheim(replace stoner if he gets traded), and kinda fits in with the general age of our defense.

Whats his biggest issue to why he isn't succeeding? (on ice not the AV reasoning we hear).

He's the world's greatest complimentary partner but he can't be asked to carry a pair. He moves the puck extremely well to his partner but isn't adept at moving it forward.

We had him with Skjei for a bit but that last nine minutes, and yes I'm going to blame that on AV. In preseason he was seeing time with Staal which was just comedy gold cause now you're asking McIlrath to be the driving force.

Meanwhile, with Yandle he looked like an all-star.

Most would argue he's not good enough to be a top 4 D but at the same time, he's not going to thrive on the third pair playing with some idiot.

 

[stubbadub]

Wrath was supposed to turn into the defenseman that Parayko is becoming, but with a meaner streak, but he was drafted to a Rangers squad who were consistently vying for the cup, therefore his inexperience was rarely called upon. Too bad because Florida is packed on the right side too. He needs to go somewhere that needs grit and bottom pairing RD.

 

[LAKings88]

I just don't like seeing defensive dmen going that high in the first round. McIlrath was taken way to high.

 

[Trxjw]

I kinda imagined he woulda been a great partner for fowler(ironically ) or lindholm and let manson play with fowler. I always see fairly good praise from ranger fans so was just curious to see what his weaknesses were.

If a team can put him in a spot where he's skating with a much better partner and serves primarily as a safety valve, I think he can be a decent NHL player. Unfortunately he seemed to turn away from just playing simple, positional defense. Huge reach, can staple anyone in the league to the boards if he times it right, and is a monster in front of the net, but in camp he was all over the ice and couldn't get his game together.

I think he'll carve out a career for himself somewhere. He's also a damn nice kid so I hope for his sake we're all cursing this trade in Rangersland a few years from now.

 

[Ola]

Florida get a D who definitely can play in this league, and that has tremendous character and work ethic. One of the best I've seen over the 25 years I have followed this league. When he plays, he will become one of those real character builders for his organization.

I think most comments in this thread is pretty ignorant. Nobody compared him to Weber last season. McI was drafted after Shea had become a huge success in the NHL. Shea was a 2nd round pick because he had the physical tools but had not yet put it together before very late in his draft year. McI had a great PO in the year before he was drafted, and NYR when drafting him undoubtedly to some extent hoped he would keep trending up very rapidly, which he didn't. There ends the Weber comparisions.

And if you shake your head at how little become of a 10th overall pick, you can't have followed this league very long. The NHL is not the NFL or the NBA. These are the last 10th overall picks:
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens
2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames
2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers
2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks
1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders
1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs
1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers
1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals
1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings
1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers
1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets
1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers
1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues
1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres
1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings

A 10th overall pick is not a lock to become top NHLer. And its definitely not too late for McI to become a decent NHLer.

 

[Mandar]

He's the world's greatest complimentary partner but he can't be asked to carry a pair. He moves the puck extremely well to his partner but isn't adept at moving it forward.

We had him with Skjei for a bit but that last nine minutes, and yes I'm going to blame that on AV. In preseason he was seeing time with Staal which was just comedy gold cause now you're asking McIlrath to be the driving force.

Meanwhile, with Yandle he looked like an all-star.

Most would argue he's not good enough to be a top 4 D but at the same time, he's not going to thrive on the third pair playing with some idiot.

What? Holy Hyperbole Batman!!

The guy was offered around the entire league for free.....but the "world's greatest complimentary partner" couldn't be given away?

This is fascinating.....

 

[Machinehead]

If anything it may have been mentioned that like Weber, McIlrath is a lot better from the blueline in in both zones than he is in transition.

But that's just one similarity in their game. I could say that McDonagh and Josi both skate extremely well, but they're still very different players.

 

[Doriva]

What? Holy Hyperbole Batman!!

The guy was offered around the entire league for free.....but the "world's greatest complimentary partner" couldn't be given away?

This is fascinating.....

GM's make mistakes.

 

[WesMcCauley]

This was the best possible outcome for Mcilrath. AV didnt like his game no matter what he did and he wasnt going to be a part of our team. He has the tools and skill to be a NHL player no doubt, he just needs the right team to give him a chance. I seriously hopes he makes it! Im not saying he is a top 4 defensemen or anything right now but he is better than some of the players we dress every night! Unfairly treated by AV and he needs a new start! Good luck on the beach in Florida!

 

[Sojourn]

Florida get a D who definitely can play in this league, and that has tremendous character and work ethic. One of the best I've seen over the 25 years I have followed this league. When he plays, he will become one of those real character builders for his organization.

I think most comments in this thread is pretty ignorant. Nobody compared him to Weber last season. McI was drafted after Shea had become a huge success in the NHL. Shea was a 2nd round pick because he had the physical tools but had not yet put it together before very late in his draft year. McI had a great PO in the year before he was drafted, and NYR when drafting him undoubtedly to some extent hoped he would keep trending up very rapidly, which he didn't. There ends the Weber comparisions.

And if you shake your head at how little become of a 10th overall pick, you can't have followed this league very long. The NHL is not the NFL or the NBA. These are the last 10th overall picks:
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens
2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames
2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers
2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks
1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders
1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs
1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers
1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals
1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings
1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers
1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets
1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers
1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues
1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres
1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings

A 10th overall pick is not a lock to become top NHLer. And its definitely not too late for McI to become a decent NHLer.

You're kind of (conveniently) missing the main point with McIlrath.

It was never simply about being a 10th overall pick. It was who was still available when New York decided to pick him 10th overall. At the time, it was surprising and questionable. Now? It's idiotic. Showing us a list of other 10th overall picks is just an attempt to justify it. The reason it was such a questionable pick was because there were a number of much better prospects still available, and a number of those better prospects have been much, much better players at the NHL level.

Edit: As an example, Jack Campbell was drafted high too. He has also failed to be worth where he was picked. The difference? People understood why he was picked where he was, and why he was chosen ahead of names like Tarasenko and Fowler. It was a risk because he was a goaltender, but he was viewed as a potential stud goaltender. McIlrath was always a questionable pick.

 

[Machinehead]

What? Holy Hyperbole Batman!!

The guy was offered around the entire league for free.....but the "world's greatest complimentary partner" couldn't be given away?

This is fascinating.....

hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

And the Yandle comment wasn't hyperbole. Yandle and McIlrath had 20 games together last year where they had the highest rel CF% of any pair in the NHL. It's a small sample but it's a pair that Florida would be wise to try.

 

[Sojourn]

hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

And the Yandle comment wasn't hyperbole. Yandle and McIlrath had 20 games together last year where they had the highest rel CF% of any pair in the NHL. It's a small sample but it's a pair that Florida would be wise to try.

And that's what you think makes a player look like an All-Star.