Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[RGY]

Right now, I think Quinn is a dead man walking.

100%. There was no reason to not let him finish the season. If Dolan is this frustrated with the progress of the team and fired two men who built it, he certainly has his frustrations with the man who has coached it, which includes a 2nd and 1st overall pick not producing offensively.

So who are our guesses for candidates?

Gerrard Galant
Mike Babcock
Patrick Roy
Rick Tocchet

 

[Kovalev27]

Imagine if JD wasn't there.

What does JD have to do with what happened in Russia, ADA making culturally insensitive comments and COVID?

he’s the boss that’s what he has to do with it. And it’s not just ada and Russia those are 2 of multiple issues including lias Andersson not even wanting to take his phone call. At the time I bashed lias for it. Now I’m not so sure. But when it’s one shit show after another under your watch it falls with you. That’s what being president is about. Leadership. We had none.

 

[haohmaru]

I'll add to that that I think the buyouts probably added to Dolan's frustration and he probably didn't like the Lundqvist exit either and a Tony D buyout waiting in the wings. If it were my money, I'd be frustrated too that I'm paying all of these people so they can go play somewhere else on the cheap. I'm not going to go into the intelligence or lucidity of the buyouts but I'm sure that this is also a factor, right or wrong, into Dolan's impetus.

 

[cheech70]

Also, I am not that worried about who we hire, because as long as it’s someone established there can’t be any issue on how to play etc.

Someone just not getting it like DQ can talk about N-S or E-W, facts are that the Islanders besides 4 forwards is an extreme E-W team — compared to how the game was played 10-15 years ago. They make a ton of plays regularly that would have been unthinkable under many many coaches back then. Barzal, Bailey, Eberle, Nelson, JGP, Beauvillier and so forth. You just must play that way well.

Drury has the keys to the Mazarati

 

[Don Chytil]

Can we keep the comedic butchering of the GM name? I'm going to humbly submit Drooty.

Druby, pls

 

[nyr2k2]

I think I am more frustrated Gorton and even more so JD were not given more time. They are both highly respected around the league. And I felt JD was brought in as a checks and balances system to JG for this rebuild so there wasn’t one man in charge of all the decision making that is at stake. Now we are back to one man...for now.

Yeah I mean I can't say I would have made this move myself. Not now. I think things were going in the right direction. I didn't like everything but I was feeling upbeat. I just think there will be more continuity with "the plan" with Drury at the helm than a lot of others expect.

 

[Siddi]

EdJovanovski wasn't even born yet

Damn, you are younger than I thought, Makes alot of sense.

 

[Off Sides]

I too missed this until just now, I like it.

 

[Rangerboy030]

THIS is what people should be at least partially concerned about.

And not just Eichel.

Kopitar. Toews. Etc.

All of those become possibilities, and not necessarily in the most strategic fashion.

If we move a Kakko or a Miller for some over-the-hill star, I'm changing my name to Krakenboy030.

This is f***ing nauseating.

 

[Edge]

he’s the boss that’s what he has to do with it. And it’s not just ada and Russia those are 2 of multiple issues including lias Andersson not even wanting to take his phone call. At the time I bashed lias for it. Now I’m not so sure. But when it’s one shit show after another under your watch it falls with you. That’s what being president is about. Leadership. We had none.

I'm sorry, but I think you're off on this one.

Lias Andersson predates JD's time here and that relationship was well on its way to falling apart before JD ever came here. He also isn't exactly proving the world wrong in LA either.

There is literally nothing he can do about a Russian conspiracy involving one of their politicians. What is the expectation there?

ADA was a gamble acquisition that was always riding the razor's edge. And he ended up hurting everyone in the end.

I guess I'm curious as to how one leads the team away from those things. And that's even assuming that this is about JD and not Dolan being Dolan. Literally a week ago the buzz in the hockey world was how good this team is going to be for a long time.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

I have never been more embarrassed to be a Rangers fan. Gorton and (to a lesser extent after joining) Davidson did a great job and not even close was it just related just to the draft lottery luck.

I wish them best of luck in the future. I am absolutely convinced they will find a job with their outstanding resume. And Dolan can go eff himself.

Right now, I cannot even bring myself to watch the game tonight. I am so pissed. I literally don´t even care right now.

 

[Machinehead]

I totally get the concern that @Edge has highlighted. And I could be wrong here.

But I will say this: the Knicks are currently in the latter stages of a scorched Earth rebuild. Dolan left it alone the entire time and the thing is going great.

I simply don't believe the reports saying this wasn't related to recent incidents. That is not to say it was 100% *not* hockey-related, but if it were 100% hockey-related, it wouldn't have happened tonight. There's three games left.

 

[mas0764]

I'm oddly okay with this. Shocked as hell, but not upset by it. I was feeling a lot of the same way expressed here in Larry's article:

We’re told that after four years out of the playoffs, Dolan had begun to question the administration of the program whose long view does not exactly jibe with the roster whose marquee players Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanejad and Chris Kreider, will be between 28 and 30 when next season commences and are likely to be diminished by the time the promise coalesces.

I felt like, by the time we get this train moving, these marquee vets are going to be a lot older and a lot more diminished. Something was stinking up the place. They seemed significantly worse to me this year. Just my two cents.

No, no, no.

Do not sacrifice the future to try to win with Chris F’n Kreider.

 

[Kovalev27]

I'm sorry, but I think you're off on this one.

Lias Andersson predates JD's time here and that relationship was well on its way to falling apart before JD ever came here. He also isn't exactly proving the world wrong in LA either.

There is literally nothing he can do about a Russian conspiracy involving one of their politicians. What is the expectation there?

ADA was a gamble acquisition that was always riding the razor's edge. And he ended up hurting everyone in the end.

I guess I'm curious as to how one leads the team away from those things. And that's even assuming that this is about JD and not Dolan being Dolan. Literally a week ago the buzz in the hockey world was how good this team is going to be for a long time.

In what world is the boss not responsible for what’s going on underneath him? Maybe the banking world but that’s about it. This has been drama drama drama drama drama for two years now. Let’s not pretend ADA is a one off. There is no leadership here and that was not the case under sather. Sorry but that’s truth

 

[bouds]

I totally get the concern that @Edge has highlighted. And I could be wrong here.

But I will say this: the Knicks are currently in the latter stages of a scorched Earth rebuild. Dolan left it alone the entire time and the thing is going great.

I simply don't believe the reports saying this wasn't related to recent incidents. That is not to say it was 100% *not* hockey-related, but if it were 100% hockey related, it wouldn't have happened tonight. There's three games left.

Could be a little of both, recent events may have brought to light that the team is soft, which brings up the coach, team build, they probably start having talks about dumping Quinn and it spiraled. We’ll find out in due time.

 

[mas0764]

Every report to this point was that the team was more happy than not with how the team and kids were coming along, and what they'd do in normal year.

I am willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that this is whim of Dolan.

What whim though? Anger at being defied? Impatience with rebuild? Wanting to force out Quinn and management not agreeing? Etc

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

In what world is the boss not responsible for what’s going on underneath him? Maybe the banking world but that’s about it. This has been drama drama drama drama drama for two years now. Let’s not pretend ADA is a one off. There is no leadership here and that was not the case under sather. Sorry but that’s truth

Explain how JD could have mitigated the Russia situation. Hell, how should he have navigated it?

 

[2014nyr]

Gorton and Dolan didn't know about it? You mean JD and Dolan?

Ok, with Drury as well, worried that Quinn has survived to this point.

Hope you're wrong about the future.

sorry yea meant jd and gorton. and hope i'm wrong as well. just had so many things going the right direction with competent, measured leadership. if dolan is going to now become actively involved and try to build rome in a day or only bring in voices that convince him they can do it (ie by moving all or most of the kids and prospects) this is going to end badly. dolan should stick to sucking at the kazoo

 

[Eggtimer]

James Dolan's dumb band JD & the Straight Shot have a song about how Dolan should have known that his friend Harvey Weinstein was a sexual predator.

Dolan lives on a different planet.

Say whaaaaaaaaat? Ya that is a little out there compared to the average Joe. Then again not many multi billionaires are normal.

 

[Siddi]

These jokers deserved it after that Tom Wilson statement.

Horrifying act of violence?? lmao !!

Go be the GM for USA figure skating.

Imagine being wrong on every aspect in your own post.

 

[I Eat Crow]

100%. There was no reason to not let him finish the season. If Dolan is this frustrated with the progress of the team and fired two men who built it, he certainly has his frustrations with the man who has coached it, which includes a 2nd and 1st overall pick not producing offensively.

So who are our guesses for candidates?

Gerrard Galant
Mike Babcock
Patrick Roy
Rick Tocchet

First and the last are most likely. Torts and Sullivan are your darkhorse candidates here.

 

[Don Chytil]

I too missed this until just now, I like it.

Lol I think you're the first one I've seen that likes it, but I am.. more or less OK with all of it. Drury would have had multiple offers to be the GM somewhere else. It's been clear for a while that he's behind or significantly influencing a lot of the moves that Gorton has been making. Could be a classic case of an employee working hard enough to take over his boss's job. Then JD steps in and disagrees with firing Gorton and he's fired, too. If there's one thing that makes me happy in all of this, it's that we get to keep Drury and his hockey mind in the organization.. and if we kept Gorton around, Drury was leaving for sure.

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about this until we see Drury make a few moves. If he starts going out and selling the farm for vets? Then I'll start to think maybe Dolan is pulling the strings, and then maybe we can panic. But I'm not there yet. I don't think Dolan has any desire to get more involved with the Rangers, it's never been a priority to him. Hopefully if the team makes big moves in the offseason they are smart moves, and in a year or two this whole thread looks foolish.

 

[Machinehead]

If Messier gets a prominent role, I'll be a lot more concerned.

 

[Edge]

In what world is the boss not responsible for what’s going on underneath him? Maybe the banking world but that’s about it. This has been drama drama drama drama drama for two years now. Let’s not pretend ADA is a one off. There is no leadership here and that was not the case under sather. Sorry but that’s truth

In what world does a Russian politician try to blackmail your employee?

In what world does an employee who predates you walk out of the office and remain a member of your company?

But I digress, what does any of that have to do with JD and how is it different under anyone else?

 

[Edge]

What whim though? Anger at being defied? Impatience with rebuild? Wanting to force out Quinn and management not agreeing? Etc

I think the first two are definitely big factors.