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TheTakedown said:
Well, you have to think that Fox and Panarin wanted to come here bcause of the groundwork that Gorton laid... If the rangers weren't seen as a rising phoenix from the ashes, Panarin likely goes to the Isles for the extra $1m/year
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You could maybe make that argument for Panarin (though I still think its incorrect), but not for Fox. Fox grew up a Rangers fan.

For Panarin, MSG is the center (or damn near it) of the hockey universe. The Islanders didn't even have an arena to play in a couple years ago. The Rangers were also in worse shape than the Isles when Panarin got here. If he wanted a chance at more immediate success, he would've went to the Isles.

So I'm not sure either of them came to NY because of anything Gorton did.
 
New York City said:
I refuse to believe that Dolan felt like meddling with the Rangers so he fired JG and JD. It doesn't make sense at all and goes against his entire history as owner of the Rangers.

But it's especially infuriating that people have taken some reports and dismissed others in order to create this Dolan meddling narrative (which happens to be the most negative possible explanation). It basically amounts to fearmongering, which people love to do in the sports world and otherwise.

In reality, this decision was probably brewing for awhile and the Wilson thing was the catalyst for it happening now rather than in the summer. We likely won't know all the details as to why they were fired until decades have passed. But I think the team is in good hands with Drury. And the organization under Drury probably won't be too different than the organization under JG and JD.
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I’d love to be given any logical reason as to why JD should have been fired after such a short stint.

How could it have been brewing for a while? When did the brewing start?
 
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RGY said:
This is just wrong. Moves like this make us look like a circus and it makes available future candidates hesitant to come here when there is an Owner who can step in and illogically fire you at the top.

smh this is just so bad. So bad. This team was on a good path. It needed to be fine tuned a bit, added to a bit. This just doesnt make sense.

Welp I dont think Quinn survives this either after the season has ended.
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Malarky........since 2014 we have been run as well as most teams
 
JD and Gorton has been able to sell their story to NY media.

But if Dolan asks prominent people around this league, he of course has connections, stuff like:

(a) “how do you think we are handling Kakko and Laf?”, what will they say? NOBODY has developed high picks as sloppishly as Quinn have, basically ever. Nobody. Zero plan. Zero support. Focus on defense, yeah this is the lesson everyone learned from EDM, put super talents on a 3rd-4th line for a few years during their most important development years in their career, and it won’t play out well.

(b) “Do you think Quinn is doing a good job? Is he the best guy for the job, money is no issue!”

I don’t don’t think anyone would agree with Gorton and JD on this. We are obviously horribly poorly prepared in so many areas. We are a mess on the ice. He is doing a record crappy job with the top picks. There is an extremely obvious rift between well regarded elite NHLers like Ziba and Panarin and the coach.

We can have anyone, have stayed with a disaster. Totally unacceptable. Or does anyone seriously think some top NHL name that Dolan can call would tell him something else? These guys aren’t like the media that will buy something that sounds good.

(c) ‘Hey we are the softest weakest team in the league despite playing only division rivals that play dirty. Is it really such a great idea like JD and Gorts say that the kids gets to learn to bend over daily?’

You think someone like say Shanny or whomever Dolan might call would say ‘hey Chuky don’t worry, they know what they are doing, this is definitely the right move’

All I know is that it’s basically a custom that the team that gets a high pick gets a goon the first year or two to back up that kid, make sure nobody takes liberties. Let them carry themselves as they want, without worrying about getting taken advantage of. We did the opposite. Miller skates to the bench while someone humiliates our goalie in our crease. I don’t think this is good.

Is this surprising? Yup, but there are so so so much ammo out there for this to happen when Dolan starts to talk with informal advisers.
 
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rangers1314 said:
A lot of people here truly don’t understand how insane of a person James Dolan is.

This is a guy who would only let the eagles play MSG if his band could open.
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I really can't emphasize this enough, as a former employee.

There is eccentric. And yes, all of the super rich are quirky.

This guy is volatile.

Everything could turn out just fine. And that's what we hope for. But there is nothing about an unchecked Jim Dolan that should be viewed as a good thing.
 
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Kane One said:
I’d love to be given any logical reason as to why JD should have been fired after such a short stint.

How could it have been brewing for a while? When did the brewing start?
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It's a cleaning of house. Even though he was the team president, this was never really Davidson's team.
 
Edge said:
Your honor, I'd like to present to the jury, Dolan's approach from 1997-2000 and his growing influence within the organization.

Those deals and those signings that everyone fondly remembers? Not just Smith, that's an active Dolan in that process as well.

You're right it's not the Knicks. And in some ways that helps us. Dolan doesn't understand hockey. On the other hand, that's a double-edged sword because Dolan...doesn't understand hockey.
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Edge I know you and I are usually on the same page but that was a different era of hockey. I’m just saying some of us need to back away from ledge. We knew trades were coming and I highly doubt we are going to trade for kopitar or toews. Eichel is a completely different story. This team has won 2 cups in 80 years. That was pre Dolan btw. Do I think the timing is off? Yes. Am I ready to stop following the team all of a sudden? No. The future is still extremely bright
 
NickyLongLegz said:
Please just tell me Kakko and laf will remain untouchables. Please. All I ask for
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Or maybe they would enjoy life more outside the Dolan led Rangers. Poor kids. Let's bring in a relic from the past or three to breathe down the kids necks how hockey was so much tougher and manlier in their heyday.
 
And this thread has become the home to vent about how terrible the Rangers are, based all on speculation.

It's total fearmongering. I am familiar with it recently as a Yankees fan.
 
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Edge said:
I really can't emphasize this enough, as a former employee.

There is eccentric. And yes, all of the super rich are quirky.

This guy is volatile.

Everything could turn out just fine. And that's what we hope for. But there is nothing about an unchecked Jim Dolan that should be viewed as a good thing.
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Knew a girl who worked HR for MSG.

She quit after one of her assignments was taking secret attendance of a “record release” party for the band. JD wanted to personally know who did, and didn’t, show.
 
Not surprised tbh. I had hope but there were a lot of very alarming signs for several seasons now. Take away all time draft lotto luck (Oh and Fox wanting to come here and only here) and we're looking at a GM in Gorton who has made a LOT of mistakes in talent evaluation not just from a prospect standpoint but from a trade and even coach hiring standpoint.

We've seen a LOT of off the ice dysfunction, inconsistent accountability, bad contracts, bad releases, bad signings. Been saying it all season.

Didn't think it was fireable but it was getting there.

Obviously my first thought is the league told Dolan to shit can them and he listened for some reason.
 
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New York City said:
I refuse to believe that Dolan felt like meddling with the Rangers so he fired JG and JD. It doesn't make sense at all and goes against his entire history as owner of the Rangers.

But it's especially infuriating that people have taken some reports and dismissed others in order to create this Dolan meddling narrative (which happens to be the most negative possible explanation). It basically amounts to fearmongering, which people love to do in the sports world and otherwise.

In reality, this decision was probably brewing for awhile and the Wilson thing was the catalyst for it happening now rather than in the summer. We likely won't know all the details as to why they were fired until decades have passed. But I think the team is in good hands with Drury. And the organization under Drury probably won't be too different than the organization under JG and JD.
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Mostly my thinking as well. Excellent post.

also tell mrs. dolan hello
 
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I guess the one positive is Quinn is gone. If you keep the coach and just promote the assistant GM to GM, how is that really a change of direction?
 
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