Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] F Alexis Lafreniere signs extension with the Rangers (7 years, $7.45M AAV)

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False. He's gotten time but like miniscule amounts. Can you see why you should maybe reconsider thinking in black and white?

You have to invest in these kids. It's asinine to give Ryan Strome all the PP1 ice time over Laf. The excuse coaches always gave in interviews was "I'm doing my best to win games." Where we can disagree is that that short term thinking is damaging. Long term investments also don't always pay off though. Detroit threw Zadina quite a bit of PP time in his first few years. Nugent Hopkins got thrown right into the fire. Arizona had no problem putting Cooley in over established PP vets.

here, let's try this one
True or False

David Quinn is a head coach I want for my team

I dont care about David Quinn lol you are being disingenuous about this player.

THREE DIFFERENT guys thought he wasn't good enough for consistent PP1 time. Does that not tell you something?

Like I said, Laf is a fine 2nd line winger. That is it and he is nearly 350 games into his career. This hope that he is going to somehow make some huge jump is not based in fact. That rarely happens for guys who are this far into their careers.
 
False. He's gotten time but like miniscule amounts. Can you see why you should maybe reconsider thinking in black and white?

You have to invest in these kids. It's asinine to give Ryan Strome all the PP1 ice time over Laf. The excuse coaches always gave in interviews was "I'm doing my best to win games." Where we can disagree is that that short term thinking is damaging. Long term investments also don't always pay off though. Detroit threw Zadina quite a bit of PP time in his first few years. Nugent Hopkins got thrown right into the fire. Arizona had no problem putting Cooley in over established PP vets.

here, let's try this one
True or False

David Quinn is a head coach I want for my team
Lafreniere's powerplay points per 60 have been consistently poor throughout his career. If he gets "miniscule" time, say 20 seconds out of every 2 minutes powerplay, that would mean he only needs a point 1/5 of the time that the guy on the first unit gets a point to have a similar PPP/60. The fact is that he doesn't do that though. This season for instance, he's played 54:29 on the powerplay and has only 2 powerplay points to show for it. That's 11th on the Rangers in PPP/60 from a guy who is 6th on the Rangers in total powerplay time, and everyone below him has less than 12 total powerplay minutes on the season.

Other than being a former first overall pick, nothing has he shown on the powerplay throughout the 435:33 that he has played on the powerplay has warranted an extended look on Powerplay 1. A coach's job IS to win games. The AHL is for development.
 
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Yeah, like when you get basically free all-star calibre players who will only play for your team, or you win the draft lottery after missing the playoffs by a couple points, or when your team isn’t on any NTC lists.

I feel your pain.
They sign all star caliber players when they don’t fit the team.

Their top draft picks end up being Kaapo Kakko and Loas Andersson when other teams get Crosby and McDavid.

They win the cup once a century.

Their prices are insane.

Yeah, it sucks.
 
I dont care about David Quinn lol you are being disingenuous about this player.

THREE DIFFERENT guys thought he wasn't good enough for consistent PP1 time. Does that not tell you something?

Like I said, Laf is a fine 2nd line winger. That is it and he is nearly 350 games into his career. This hope that he is going to somehow make some huge jump is not based in fact. That rarely happens for guys who are this far into their careers.
The original debate was that he "is what he is" and has no room for growth. Every season, his production has gone up (21, 31, 39, 57 points). He is a 5v5 beast. He saw his production really get a bump when he finally got consistent line mates in Trocheck and Panarin under Laviolette. I'm not saying it's a black and white "it's all the coaches fault" situation. That'd be asinine. I'm just saying being deployed in better positions is a coaches decision and can positively impact his performance. Improved performance means he's got room to grow. This current slump shows he could improve his motor and fight in the face of adversity. We've seen him drive plenty of plays. He can find some consistency. He was almost a PPG player up to the team's slump.
 
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Lafreniere's powerplay points per 60 have been consistently poor throughout his career. If he gets "miniscule" time, say 20 seconds out of every 2 minutes powerplay, that would mean he only needs a point 1/5 of the time that the guy on the first unit gets a point to have a similar PPP/60. The fact is that he doesn't do that though. This season for instance, he's played 54:29 on the powerplay and has only 2 powerplay points to show for it. That's 11th on the Rangers in PPP/60 from a guy who is 6th on the Rangers in total powerplay time, and everyone below him has less than 12 total powerplay minutes on the season.

Other than being a former first overall pick, nothing has he shown on the powerplay throughout the 435:33 that he has played on the powerplay has warranted an extended look on Powerplay 1. A coach's job IS to win games. The AHL is for development.
When Rangers dump Kreider isn't it possible that Laf gets that slot on the PP (and his productivity goes up)?
 
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After underperforming early on it seemed like things were coming together for him.
I'm not going to judge him too hard on his slump as it mostly coincides with the Rangers imploding overall, but it does bring up old, nagging questions about his consistency.

Makes you wonder which player is the "real" one.
 
When Rangers dump Kreider isn't it possible that Laf gets that slot on the PP (and his productivity goes up)?
Would he even play Kreider's role on the powerplay? I think part of issue is he's really been a forward on the other point guy throughout junior at his best, but that's kind of a marquee role and if he's not good enough for that spot he'll have to figure out how to be good on the powerplay aside.
 
correct me if I am wrong, but he has been playing with Panarin for how many years now?

I realize Panarin is not a center, but he is one of the best playmakers in the league. Or at least has been.
Absolutely agree. Laf is a product of breadman. Kid has been blessed to play with one of most productive players in the NHL. Laf certainly has the skills to keep up and play with panarin but questioning his consistency
 
He'd be an 80 point player on a team with a real #1 center.

I see that the copium is shifting to “he’s a role player”

Not paid like one

(For what it’s worth I thought this was a solid contract, still think it could be, just pointing out copium)
 
Lafreniere's powerplay points per 60 have been consistently poor throughout his career. If he gets "miniscule" time, say 20 seconds out of every 2 minutes powerplay, that would mean he only needs a point 1/5 of the time that the guy on the first unit gets a point to have a similar PPP/60. The fact is that he doesn't do that though. This season for instance, he's played 54:29 on the powerplay and has only 2 powerplay points to show for it. That's 11th on the Rangers in PPP/60 from a guy who is 6th on the Rangers in total powerplay time, and everyone below him has less than 12 total powerplay minutes on the season.

Other than being a former first overall pick, nothing has he shown on the powerplay throughout the 435:33 that he has played on the powerplay has warranted an extended look on Powerplay 1. A coach's job IS to win games. The AHL is for development.
Power plays at this level now face aggressive penalty kills which require quick passing and knowing where your options are. Laf hasn't practiced with PP1 and only gets thrown out there once in a while when Lav decides to take Mika's cookies away.

If this team properly tried different units in training camp we'd probably have some options instead of either sticking with the unit that no longer works or throwing together a unit with no chemistry.
 

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