Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] F Alexis Lafreniere signs extension with the Rangers (7 years, $7.45M AAV)

[SannywithoutCompy]

That's rich coming from a Hawks fan with your never ending rebuild. Looking forward to watching the Hawks in the playoffs in 2032



Everyone agrees he sucks on the PP, but the real question worth asking is does he suck at it because he's never on it, or is he never on it because he sucks at it? Have to give him 20+ games on PP1 before we can definitively say. He's looked pretty decent up there the last couple games.

PP2 was always atrocious for them so it's hard to judge. Kakko belongs nowhere near a PP unit and they just kept pumping PP2 shifts into him.

Where is he playing on the PP right now? I know in junior and at the WJCs he was always pretty great on the left wall as a shooting threat, sort of like Suzuki on the opposite side

 

[The don godfather]

Not at all a bust. Just not fulfilling the expectations of a 1OA. Still a good player. A bust, imo, would be a guy who isn’t in the nhl.

1st overall picks should be players who are game changing this guy sounds like a 2nd line player maybe 3rd liner. Rangers should trade him asap or they will get a kakko return.

 

[Fatass]

1st overall picks should be players who are game changing this guy sounds like a 2nd line player maybe 3rd liner. Rangers should trade him asap or they will get a kakko return.

I agree Lafreniere is a good second line winger, and the expectations for a 1OA would be higher. He’s not a bust though. He is contributing at a second line winger level. He’s a much more complete player than Kakko. If not scoring Lafreniere still adds a heavy game. I’d say he’s more at the Slafkosky level. Two top picks who are likely second line wingers but who both contribute is more ways than scoring.

 

[The don godfather]

I agree Lafreniere is a good second line winger, and the expectations for a 1OA would be higher. He’s not a bust though. He is contributing at a second line winger level. He’s a much more complete player than Kakko. If not scoring Lafreniere still adds a heavy game. I’d say he’s more at the Slafkosky level. Two top picks who are likely second line wingers but who both contribute is more ways than scoring.

Trade his butt the guy commanding like 8 million bucks for like 21 points and minus 14. If he has a bit of value trade him out of Broadway. Kakko return was putrid and a fireable offense. Hows that gm of New York still have a job?

 

[Fatass]

Trade his butt the guy commanding like 8 million bucks for like 21 points and minus 14. If he has a bit of value trade him out of Broadway. Kakko return was putrid and a fireable offense. Hows that gm of New York still have a job?

Is the GM who drafted Lafreniere and guys like Kakko? I don’t think he was? The Rangers had a series of top 10 picks that didn’t live up to expectations.

 

[The don godfather]

Is the GM who drafted Lafreniere and guys like Kakko? I don’t think he was? The Rangers had a series of top 10 picks that didn’t live up to expectations.

Man they have a history of busts pavel brendyl lias andersson mcilrath now kakko and possibly Laf. Team is truly Broadway circus. I'm actually enjoying all this carnage as a bruins fan. This has been great entertainment to watch and cant wait for the paltry return they get for kreider now.

 

[Fatass]

Man they have a history of busts pavel brendyl lias andersson mcilrath now kakko and possibly Laf. Team is truly Broadway circus. I'm actually enjoying all this carnage as a bruins fan. This has been great entertainment to watch and cant wait for the paltry return they get for kreider now.

I definitely see a parallel between Lafreniere and Slafkovsky. Two 1OA picks who look like they won’t live up to their draft position. Their numbers are very similar.
Not too sure if there were better choices in those two drafts though?

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I definitely see a parallel between Lafreniere and Slafkovsky. Two 1OA picks who look like they won’t live up to their draft position. Their numbers are very similar.
Not too sure if there were better choices in those two drafts though?

Both Kakko and Laf were bonafide consensus picks. Rangers simply got unlucky.

So much of this league is getting lucky through the draft. Rangers were lucky to get those picks I guess, the players they got out of them were not lucky. And there's nothing they could've done any differently.

 

[The don godfather]

Both Kakko and Laf were bonafide consensus picks. Rangers simply got unlucky.

So much of this league is getting lucky through the draft. Rangers were lucky to get those picks I guess, the players they got out of them were not lucky. And there's nothing they could've done any differently.

That kakko return was incredible I cant believe the crap table scraps the rags got in return .

 

[BomaLightDevils]

Both Kakko and Laf were bonafide consensus picks. Rangers simply got unlucky.

So much of this league is getting lucky through the draft. Rangers were lucky to get those picks I guess, the players they got out of them were not lucky. And there's nothing they could've done any differently.

“Both Kakko and Laf were bonafide consensus picks. Rangers simply got unlucky”

It Can be seen on very different ways this one. Because what is “consensus” I ask?
The scouts that can see outside of this is the ones who find the real talent.
It’s funny that a GM is under such a big pressure to go consensus when picking in the top 3 but if you go further down the draft order scouts gets more leverage to go after the player who wil develop best over time.

So my point being that if New York had the right people around their hockey opps maybe they would have a star player/players on their hand instead of Will Borgen and a 3 round pick

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

“Both Kakko and Laf were bonafide consensus picks. Rangers simply got unlucky”

It Can be seen on very different ways this one. Because what is “consensus” I ask?
The scouts that can see outside of this is the ones who find the real talent.
It’s funny that a GM is under such a big pressure to go consensus when picking in the top 3 but if you go further down the draft order scouts gets more leverage to go after the player who wil develop best over time.

So my point being that if New York had the right people around their hockey opps maybe they would have a star player/players on their hand instead of Will Borgen and a 3 round pick

No, it can't be. They were consensus picks. Every single other team would've made the same picks as the Rangers. You have no idea what you're talking about.

That kakko return was incredible I cant believe the crap table scraps the rags got in return .

Congrats to the Devils for sucking more that year to get Hughes

 

[EXTRAS]

No, it can't be. They were consensus picks. Every single other team would've made the same picks as the Rangers. You have no idea what you're talking about.



Congrats to the Devils for sucking more that year to get Hughes

I would have taken bowen byram 2nd overall, but even that would have been considered a somewhat bust for 2nd overall. But who would anyone take at 2nd overall and it would have been considered a good pick? If you don't take kakko there do you take dach or turcotte? Ain't nobody taking seider there Who went 6th. he was considered a reach at 6th. Outside of jack Hughes and seider the entire top 10 has been relatively disappointing for their draft position. But who knows the draft class is only 23 years old so some can still improve.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I would have taken bowen byram 2nd overall, but even that would have been considered a somewhat bust for 2nd overall. But who would anyone take at 2nd overall and it would have been considered a good pick? If you don't take kakko there do you take dach or turcotte? Ain't nobody taking seider there Who went 6th. he was considered a reach at 6th. Outside of jack Hughes and seider the entire top 10 has been relatively disappointing for their draft position. But who knows the draft class is only 23 years old so some can still improve.

Like you said, that draft wound up being awful outside of Jack Hughes.

 

[bud12]

I definitely see a parallel between Lafreniere and Slafkovsky. Two 1OA picks who look like they won’t live up to their draft position. Their numbers are very similar.
Not too sure if there were better choices in those two drafts though?

Slafkovsky is 20 years old and had like 45pts in 50game last year. Their numbers arent similar at all.

 

[Fatass]

Slafkovsky is 20 years old and had like 45pts in 50game last year. Their numbers arent similar at all.

Please explain how their “numbers” are different? Sure Lafreniere scores at twice the rate but otherwise (imo) they are similar.

 

[bud12]

Please explain how their “numbers” are different? Sure Lafreniere scores at twice the rate but otherwise (imo) they are similar.

Slafkovsky got 50pts at 20years old when Laf had 31pts. Please explain how it's similar

 

[Fatass]

Slafkovsky got 50pts at 20years old when Laf had 31pts. Please explain how it's similar

You’re comparing ages. I’m comparing their actual nhl production. Their actual nhl numbers are very similar. You can factor in age if you like. If that satisfies something for you, fine. Imo both players are near the end of their runways.

 

[bud12]

You’re comparing ages. I’m comparing their actual nhl production. Their actual nhl numbers are very similar. You can factor in age if you like. If that satisfies something for you, fine. Imo both players are near the end of their runways.

Yes, a 20 years old player is at the end of his runways.

 

[SI90]

 

[KevinRedkey]

Yes, a 20 years old player is at the end of his runways.

After Crosby's 19yr old season, people would have called you nuts if you said that would be his most productive season of his career... even though you'd have been right. Same goes for Yakupov after his Calder win.

Slaf is having a poor season (so far) and it's a reasonable to be concerned with his ceiling/runway. I personally don't think that, but it's not as outlandish a take as you're pretending it is. The idea that every high pick continuously gets better just because they are still 'young', is just as incorrect.

 

[jay from jersey]

He’ll be fine……
My only gripe with his usage right now is PP time…….
He should be on the 1PP. Should have been on it to start the season.
His play/production at even strength has been solid. He has also proven to up his game in the playoffs.
This season being a kind of outlier in how the team is under performing in the last 4-5 seasons, he’d likely get around 30 points added to his totals.
It’s basically the same as everyone else on the 1PP adds to their totals when the rangers power play is delivering….
At laffys age, style of play, and room to improve I take that all day.
The man advantage also is key for offensive guys morale, psyche, growth etc. it lets them create and come into their own, try new things and gain confidence.
Him getting 1min 30sec on the PP per game getting open looks and more room with elite passers like Fox/bread and Lafs elite wrister would be amazing.
Though he’s 3 years older then Slaf and comparing their numbers to each other, he’s not getting similar PP time…..
That’s a huge factor when you’re talking about point totals.
It’s not a stretch to say Laf would be getting 75-80pts per year right now.
Both have runway to improve as well…..
NYR sorely needs a leadership change and some players need to be dealt….. not because they are bad players, but the older core of Zibby/kreider/panarin/ and plugs like Smith see the writing on the wall. Trochek is the only one I see a an actual leader on and off the ice….. he’s the type of vet player you want in that role.
It is what it is, it’s a down year for them across the board

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree Lafreniere is a good second line winger, and the expectations for a 1OA would be higher. He’s not a bust though. He is contributing at a second line winger level. He’s a much more complete player than Kakko. If not scoring Lafreniere still adds a heavy game. I’d say he’s more at the Slafkosky level. Two top picks who are likely second line wingers but who both contribute is more ways than scoring.

Add Power to the list. 1st OA picks are not sure shot stars of top of the line-up assets. Each year is different.

There is a clear trend of prospects taking longer to reach ceiling. Look at how long it took Mackinnon. I'm not saying Lafreniere, Slaf, Power will break out like that (who knows) but there is a fair amount of growth/maturity to go yet for them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

After Crosby's 19yr old season, people would have called you nuts if you said that would be his most productive season of his career... even though you'd have been right. Same goes for Yakupov after his Calder win.

Slaf is having a poor season (so far) and it's a reasonable to be concerned with his ceiling/runway. I personally don't think that, but it's not as outlandish a take as you're pretending it is. The idea that every high pick continuously gets better just because they are still 'young', is just as incorrect.

Mackinnon was a 50-60 pts player in the first 4 years (18-21). Right now, Slaf is at 0.52 pts/game and should improve but I think we are talking about a 60-70 pts guy in his prime

 

[Fatass]

Add Power to the list. 1st OA picks are not sure shot stars of top of the line-up assets. Each year is different.

There is a clear trend of prospects taking longer to reach ceiling. Look at how long it took Mackinnon. I'm not saying Lafreniere, Slaf, Power will break out like that (who knows) but there is a fair amount of growth/maturity to go yet for them.

Agreed. IMO guys chosen high in the draft aren’t busts providing they have nhl careers. Lafreniere, Slafkosky, Power are clearly going to have nhl careers. They just aren’t likely to have careers that reflect being selected 1OA. Every club would like to have these players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. IMO guys chosen high in the draft aren’t busts providing they have nhl careers. Lafreniere, Slafkosky, Power are clearly going to have nhl careers. They just aren’t likely to have careers that reflect being selected 1OA. Every club would like to have these players.

Definitely not a bust like Yakupov. I do remember Bob M talking about Slaf's draft and he was spot on... lots of good talent but more secondary parts. Still top 6F and top 4D but not sure shot top of the line-up assets. Maybe they turn into it but we got to wait for that for a while yet