Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] D Will Borgen signs extension with the Rangers (5 years, $4.1M AAV)

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He's played 278 NHL games.

With the Rangers he's played 17 games

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I love all the armchair GMs commenting like it’s some horrible deal when they have barely watched him play in NY, seen how well he has fit in, steadied KAM, etc. Also, $4.1m is nothing with the cap set to explode. It’s a solid deal for a solid #4.

You have watched him for like 2 weeks and then your resume is more detailed that anyone who saw him play on Seattle.

Calling him a #4 def is pretty much an "arm chair take"

 

[Oddbob]

Trust me, these people weren't watching him in Seattle either.



No one in Seattle thought of him as a "very low end 6th D". He was well liked the last couple years, with a lot of speculation that he was ready for a middle pair role. Just had a bad start to this year, that he's evidently rebounded out of.

His stats are exactly that of a nothing special 5-7 d. I think Chiarot stinks, but he is better than Borgen and makes only a little more which most including me thought was a terrible deal. This deal makes that look like a nothing burger and I still think Chiarot sucks.

 

[seafoam]

NYR paid the RD w/ size tax.

 

[Egresch]

Strange move, why would you pay 3RD 4.1M. That seems like a lot of money for that role. Fox is clear 1RD, Schneider is very good and he should get more icetime.
Especially, if they have 0 LDs signed for next year.

 

[LBpuzzels]

I don't understand the anger over Kakko. Good for him for producing currently but he doesn't have the skill or the head for the game to be a consistent producer. Middle 6 guy. It's not really someone to lose sleep over. Sure I guess Drury could have fleeced a GM that was enamored with his draft position but that was almost 6 years ago.

I disagree but my point is if you are going to trade him RHD should not of been the main return. LHD, RW, or C should of been. Also probably someone younger unless you were packaging Kakko for a "stud" type player like a JT Miller

 

[D Wakaluk]

Reeks of a “I didn’t lose the kakko trade” signing by a GM on the hot seat

It goes nicely with the "kakko sucks" fan segment so they just keep winning with the trade, pretty sweet

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

A million too rich for the term, insane high cost of living. The New York special.

Drury legitimately sucks.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Drury doubling down on his bad trade.

Holy hell what a bad signing

 

[TGWL]

I was hoping for about 3 years and around 3.6. I think 5 is a bit premature right now with this sample size. He's been good but has also had some brain farts lately. I will say that I like his ability tor recover after a stupid play, it doesn't seem to ruin the rest of his game. Rangers only had 2 dmen signed for next season and potentially there is concern with Miller's camp asking for more money than he should be getting, so I understand wanting to get this done but I think still find 5 years and trade clause a bit odd.

 

[OilynutEsquire]

Drury is speed running the Rangers destruction.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This is such a weird era where #4-6 defensemen and bottom 6 forwards are getting term at (compared to typical long contracts) modest dollars. Not sure which GM started the trend but always find it strange.

 

[Tawnos]

The cap is going to be at least $92.5m next season. 92.5/23 man roster = 4.02m.

Borgen is nothing more than an average D, to be sure, as much as he’s played a big role in steadying the Rangers D. But he’s also getting paid exactly what an average player should get paid. People in this thread acting like this is some kind of massive overpayment are out to lunch.

The 5 years isn’t ideal, IMO, but the salary is fine. The clauses don’t really matter. After season 1, it’s an easily movable deal if necessary.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If we're justifying the signing by arguing that its an easy contract to dump/trade after 1 season, thats already a bad sign.

Drury was taking heat over trading Kakko so he's doubling down to try and make it look like he has some kind of plan.

 

[Tawnos]

If we're justifying the signing by arguing that its an easy contract to dump/trade after 1 season, thats already a bad sign.

Drury was taking heat over trading Kakko so he's doubling down to try and make it look like he has some kind of plan.

No one is planning on dumping the contract after year 1. It’s just a comment on the structure of the deal and an acknowledgment that sometimes things change.

Drury was taking heat over the Kakko trade from… who, exactly? Drury had a constituency of one: James Dolan. It doesn’t matter what the media or fans think of the deal. The Rangers have won a ton of games since the Kakko trade and have a good shot to make the playoffs. Which do you think Dolan cares about more, the optics of the Kakko trade or playoff revenue?

 

[sxvnert]

While both trades (Trouba & Kakko) were rightly criticised, the two D coming back (Vaakanainen & Borgen) has stabilised their D.

 

[Bankerguy]

i think he's a top 4 guy, like a lower end number 4, but no.4 none the less.
i remember looking at his advanced stats a few months ago and liking him

if he plays 82 games for you, he'll give you 150hits, 100 blocks, and hopefully he returns to like 20-25 point pace. Decent corsi RELnumbers once he was on the Rags.
good size...and of course the highly sought after RHS.

i think in a rising cap environment, this is a deal where like by the mid point nest year...assuming he doesn't take a step back you say 'this is a pretty decent deal' and the year after you're getting GOOD bang for the buck

 

[Revansky]

Was not a fan of Borgen in his game against the habs last time we play the Rangers, so i guess it was just a bad game from him. Still feel it's kind of low to medium upside/medium risk contract. It won't hurt too much if he's only a six D and could be good value if he's a good 4 D but for a team looking to contend, it seems like the kind of pieces you can try to get at the deadline and would be better to allocate that money to more valuable assets that have higher upside. I feel like this kind of contract havenot bring a lot of value with physical D (Trouba, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Chiarot, Samuelsson, etc).

 

[TGWL]

This is such a weird era where #4-6 defensemen and bottom 6 forwards are getting term at (compared to typical long contracts) modest dollars. Not sure which GM started the trend but always find it strange.

The cap is going up. All players expect to get paid more, not just star players. Do I feel it's getting a little too much when you include term like 5 years? Yeah, I do. But, teams are putting out their 4-6 Dman near 18 minutes a games.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Yikes

 

[The Real JT]

The Drury Standard is quite simple. You know he's not going to "win" any trades or negotiations, so the question then becomes: did he embarrass himself and this organization or not?

This is not an embarrassing contract. Of course objectively it isn't a good contract by any means, but using the Drury Standard it's fine.

I’m far from being a Drury fan but how he unloaded Trouba without retention or sending an asset was magical.

But back to the topic at hand. Serviceable player for too much money and term. Other than that….

 

[Tawnos]

Was not a fan of Borgen in his game against the habs last time we play the Rangers, so i guess it was just a bad game from him. Still feel it's kind of low to medium upside/medium risk contract. It won't hurt too much if he's only a six D and could be good value if he's a good 4 D but for a team looking to contend, it seems like the kind of pieces you can try to get at the deadline and would be better to allocate that money to more valuable assets that have higher upside. I feel like this kind of contract havenot bring a lot of value with physical D (Trouba, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Chiarot, Samuelsson, etc).

That was literally the only bad game he’s played since he got here.

 

[Baby Punisher]

I like the deal. The years and money are perfect for today's market. By signing Borgen now you have effectively decided to ship Lindgren out at the TDL.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Seems like a very silly deal.

 

[OysterForever]

I thought you could sign both Urho & Will with that $4.1M AAV... Lol F*** Drury