Lindberg Cheese
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Trolling? We subsidize upstate to the tune of $15 B per year in state taxes. Who’s trolling who in real life? We should really get Eichel for nothing.
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Satanphonehome
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Hey Rangers fans, expansion draft is looming. You have choice to give the Kraken Adam Fox, or Chytil, Kakko and Strome. Who are you letting them take?
Hey Rangers fans, you can have any three players you want from any team in the league, except for that team's five best assets. How many of those trios would you trade Panarin for?
Just curious.
Hey Rangers fans, you can have any three players you want from any team in the league, except for that team's five best assets. How many of those trios would you trade Panarin for?
Just curious.
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1) Strome
2) If Panarin were on the block, I think he'd probably fetch the typical roster player (2-3rd liner or 2D), offensive prospect, defensive prospect, 1st that seems to be the standard when any big named player is traded. That being said, his value is probably lower due to his contract and the fact that nobody could take it on. If the Rangers retained, the value would skyrocket.
So in that regard, if we were to trade Panarin, I'd expect about what we got for McDonagh, which is about what Buffalo will get for Eichel.
I don't know other teams assets, so I'll use NYR, If the Rangers were trading for Panarin, I think it would look something like
Strome/ Buch
Kravtsov
Jones / Reunanen / Hajek
1st
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It’s hilarious how people throw the whole business part out the window cause the player is good. The answer is, you take the best package possible knowing you have a young team and knowing there’s only 3-5 teams that can afford panarin s 11 mill a year cap hit with a NMC kicking in soon. You take the assets and picks and build your team going forward not keeping Panarin at the risk of poisoning the young dressing room. ( that’s under the stipulation that panarin wants out and asks for a trade). The teams that can afford to do so financially and asset wise who also need the player at the position is way more limited then some would like to believe
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Yeah. it's a real headscratcher how the Rangers would be able to afford Eichel and compete with his and Panarin's contracts on the book in the flat cap for at least 4 years world.
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You misread the first question; it was an either/or "would you rather have Fox, or all three of Kakko/Chytil/Strome"
And the 2nd question was not "what would you expect?" it was "what would it take?" You don't have to trade him.
It is interesting that you think a 24-year-old franchise centre on a long-term contract has similar value as a 29-year-old shutdown defenceman 16-months away from free agency.
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Satanphonehome
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Don't really have a problem with any of that, but you aren't answering either question. Will you? (See above.)
I've heard a similar thing 10 years ago, here on this site. The main message of that guys post back then was that only geeks and nerds use the internet. Well, how the turn tables..
Social media has an influence on people, and HFboards is (a small) part of it.
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Your analogies don't work. First, this isn't a situation where we have to give up anyone. We don't have to choose between Fox or Chytil/Kakko/Strome because we don't have to trade for Eichel.
Second, Panarin > Eichel and again, we have no need or desire to trade him. It doesn't matter how much or little other teams are offering.
If Eichel wants out, Buffalo will either trade him for the best deal offered or keep him. If you don't like the deals being offered, then keep him, but don't expect any team to give you their best players/prospects for him.
Djp
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you cans compete with high contracts.
E-10-V
B-5-11
E-B-V
26+2E+2B+2V+5 ( cheap near min vets or young players, 5 in all)
7-V
V-3
B-E
2
6
1
19+2V+B+E
team=50+3E+3B+4V
E=0.9 ELC
B=1.7 bridge
V=4.5 veteran
50+2.7+5.1+18=75.8
you have some room to pay some vets a higher than avg vet salary like around $7M or give some bridgepkayers a high salary in the 3-4 range
with the rangers they do have an issue going forward in paying the young players or trading them for cheaper role filling vets or restock the ELCs.
Djp
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Metro buffalo/Rochester is net giving away money...it’s not getting nyc money
tell the prince of darkness I am expelling his sorry ass back to the pit from whence he came, but repudiating this silly shit by you, his minion.
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1. Fox, Kakko and others are exempt.
Hence zero risk they are in equation of what Kraken get.
2. NY will deal a vet or 2, prob Strome and Buch, and hopefully now while value is max and not post season when less.
As a result we will be in great shape to deny Kraken much of anything.
Reasonable to speculate it would be Howden at most, and prob lesser bottom sixer.
Unless of course they want to take Deangelo --- good riddance.
All of this^
Jim Bob
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The Rangers don't have the type of good young center to offer up for me to really get interested in what they might offer up for Eichel.
1 is strome for sure.
2 is a trick question because finances and need for position would eliminate too many teams. Kind of a video game question. Since the rangers are heavy on the wings anD with prospects and youngsters I’d pick the best available centers I could in a panarin deal though
Lindberg Cheese
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Daddy, why are some jurisdictions allowed to over budget with other people’s money?
Lindberg Cheese
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Data from NyS office of budget and Rockefeller institute say otherwise
PolitiFact - The state spends more on Western New York than it receives in taxes from region
Lindberg Cheese
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You’re captured by ISIS, they offer you death or Tatonka. Your friend in front of you takes Tatonka and you watch while they horribly gang rape the guy. Which do you take?
Neutral fan here.
IF Buffalo were to trade Eichel NYR should definitely try and acquire him. He'd be the man in New York and the first superstar center they've had in years (with apologies to Zibanejad).
I heard on Sirius XM NHL that the asking price from the Sabres for Eichel are four (!) first round assets. That is, four picks and/or players that are not considered busts or struggling, but players who have lived up to their draft pedigree. This is a massive ask for a guy who is struggling. However, this is jack Eichel we are talking about here.
IF Buffalo were to trade Eichel NYR should definitely try and acquire him. He'd be the man in New York and the first superstar center they've had in years (with apologies to Zibanejad).
I heard on Sirius XM NHL that the asking price from the Sabres for Eichel are four (!) first round assets. That is, four picks and/or players that are not considered busts or struggling, but players who have lived up to their draft pedigree. This is a massive ask for a guy who is struggling. However, this is jack Eichel we are talking about here.
Not a ranger fan but I’ll bite on the first question. I’m keeping fox and letting them have chytil kakko and Strome.
as for the second question that’s tough because after you take out any teams best 5 assets you are left with a lot of meh expect for Tampa bay. Take out kucherov point stamkos hedman and vasilevsky. Who are you left with? Sergachev gourde and palat/cirelli
