Proposal: NYR-BUF

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Did you really just compare Eichel to Crosby, McDavid & Kopitar? Lol. Eichel has a lot more to prove.

ATM he's a modern day Rick Nash.

lol great comparison. eichel is a ppg+ player in his early 20s when nash topped out as a 70 pt player in his prime

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

1) I originally figured Sabres should keep Eichel until he publicly asks for a trade, but- if he’s looking like he wants out I’d work with him to make it happen.
2) That said, the Sabres hold his contract. A lot of posters act like his value is a lot less already, or will decrease if he wants out- Sabres can always play hardball. They (should) know what they have, it sucks if they have to have an ugly split, but they’re not gonna sell for less just because Jack and the other team want a deal.
3) He’s hurt now, I’m worried about his season overall- I think this waits until the offseason. Sabres get a new coach, see how Jack feels, then act accordingly.
4) Personally I’m not overly interested in Kakko or Lafreniere- that might change, but for now I’m just a bit.. wary of how they’re doing and how they might develop in Buffalo.
5) Something involving (a signed) Buchnevich, another roster player, a goalie, and picks/prospects might interest me personally. I’ve got no specifics in mind, but- it’s rather messed up- I’d rather do the RoR trade right this time rather than trade for Lafreniere, a 1st, and a bit extra. 2 good players to just bring in something to stop the sinking, then a prospect or pick better than Thompson. And a goalie. And two first rounders.

 

[jay from jersey]

Who said it had to be just prospects?? That’s an assumption. From the Flames it would start with Tkachuk. Canadiens it would be Suzuki. Sharks it would be Hertl.... Truly doubt Sabres are looking to tear it down. What does a prospect pool matter if teams don’t want to give up their good prospects. Lol. Ducks won’t trade Zegras, Rangers apparently won’t trade Laf. So doubt it becomes a prospect trade unless it’s with the Kings.

If your the Sabres, you are going to want young guys on ELC who have significant team control. Calgary wouldn’t do Tkachuk ++. That would defeat the purpose of the trade to add Eichel to your best signed young players. You also don’t want the main piece coming back being signed for 2-3 years. Look at the Laine situation. If Roslovic wasn’t playing well right now the jackets would be screwed. It’s looking like Laine may bolt in 2 years and the jackets will have almost nothing left from trading their 1C that was 22. If they can do it over they would most likely take a futures heavy package. Now if Laine doesn’t resign they have to worry about getting some value back for him fast. It’s not “ why would we trade Eichel for that” it’s Eichel has asked for a trade and we need to get the best possible package being offered by the teams in the mix. If Eichel doesn’t ask out, there’s absolutely no reason to move him. If he does and Sabres keep him anyway to play hardball, they risk poisoning their locker room further. You don’t want a disgruntled superstar captain around all your young impressionable top prospects. That will delay the rebuild further.

 

[Team Cozens]

If your the Sabres, you are going to want young guys on ELC who have significant team control. Calgary wouldn’t do Tkachuk ++. That would defeat the purpose of the trade to add Eichel to your best signed young players. You also don’t want the main piece coming back being signed for 2-3 years. Look at the Laine situation. If Roslovic wasn’t playing well right now the jackets would be screwed. It’s looking like Laine may bolt in 2 years and the jackets will have almost nothing left from trading their 1C that was 22. If they can do it over they would most likely take a futures heavy package. Now if Laine doesn’t resign they have to worry about getting some value back for him fast. It’s not “ why would we trade Eichel for that” it’s Eichel has asked for a trade and we need to get the best possible package being offered by the teams in the mix. If Eichel doesn’t ask out, there’s absolutely no reason to move him. If he does and Sabres keep him anyway to play hardball, they risk poisoning their locker room further. You don’t want a disgruntled superstar captain around all your young impressionable top prospects. That will delay the rebuild further.

Who said Tkachuk +++ ?? If I was building a team, I build around a 1C over a winger. Maybe we see a blockbuster type of trade with Eichel / Reinhart going to the Flames for Tkachuk, Monahan plus....

 

[Djp]

If your the Sabres, you are going to want young guys on ELC who have significant team control. Calgary wouldn’t do Tkachuk ++. That would defeat the purpose of the trade to add Eichel to your best signed young players. You also don’t want the main piece coming back being signed for 2-3 years. Look at the Laine situation. If Roslovic wasn’t playing well right now the jackets would be screwed. It’s looking like Laine may bolt in 2 years and the jackets will have almost nothing left from trading their 1C that was 22. If they can do it over they would most likely take a futures heavy package. Now if Laine doesn’t resign they have to worry about getting some value back for him fast. It’s not “ why would we trade Eichel for that” it’s Eichel has asked for a trade and we need to get the best possible package being offered by the teams in the mix. If Eichel doesn’t ask out, there’s absolutely no reason to move him. If he does and Sabres keep him anyway to play hardball, they risk poisoning their locker room further. You don’t want a disgruntled superstar captain around all your young impressionable top prospects. That will delay the rebuild further.

People continually forget Eichel can’t control where he goes until the start date of 22/23 season..

Buffalo could trade him in late June 2022 at draft to any team in the league.

only after the NMC kicks in can he control where he goes and Then his value goes down.

they will get value for him and teams will have to give up non spare parts.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

People continually forget Eichel can’t control where he goes until the start date of 22/23 season..

Buffalo could trade him in late June 2022 at draft to any team in the league.

only after the NMC kicks in can he control where he goes and Then his value goes down.

they will get value for him and teams will have to give up non spare parts.

No joke. He has no power. And how much does value really go down? He's still controlled.

The ask of Lafreniere and Kakko + plus first isn't outrageous at all if Rangers want him now. Both guys are behind where Eichel was at this point and no guarantee of years he's had draft + 3,4,5. I guess there could be a discount for an injury plagued year in 2020-21 and Sabres don't trade if there is one.

Nobody is saying he's Matthews or McDavid. You're giving your top 5 prospects for Connor McDavid and top 4 for Matthews -- both command more than Eichel.

If Rangers fans say we are rebuilding and Eichel doesn't fit, that makes sense too but the trade will not be for anything less than top two prospects from anywhere and an A minus prospect.

 

[bernmeister]

1) I originally figured Sabres should keep Eichel until he publicly asks for a trade, but- if he’s looking like he wants out I’d work with him to make it happen.
2) That said, the Sabres hold his contract. A lot of posters act like his value is a lot less already, or will decrease if he wants out- Sabres can always play hardball. They (should) know what they have, it sucks if they have to have an ugly split, but they’re not gonna sell for less just because Jack and the other team want a deal.
3) He’s hurt now, I’m worried about his season overall- I think this waits until the offseason. Sabres get a new coach, see how Jack feels, then act accordingly.
4) Personally I’m not overly interested in Kakko or Lafreniere- that might change, but for now I’m just a bit.. wary of how they’re doing and how they might develop in Buffalo.
5) Something involving (a signed) Buchnevich, another roster player, a goalie, and picks/prospects might interest me personally. I’ve got no specifics in mind, but- it’s rather messed up- I’d rather do the RoR trade right this time rather than trade for Lafreniere, a 1st, and a bit extra. 2 good players to just bring in something to stop the sinking, then a prospect or pick better than Thompson. And a goalie. And two first rounders.

prepare to be flamed.
Happy to consider a deal beyond Zib + Buch [extended or allow BUF negotiate prior] + Geo + more!
It was not appreciated, as some think it will a star for a star like Heiskanen, not happening, or other bluest blue chip guys [apparently Zegras etc also not happening].

Sabes can make a profitable killing here if Eich is dealt, but remember to consider currency of trading partner is paramount; BUF can't one sided dictate that currency.

Again, best hope is somehow Sabes can do just enuf to keep Eichel happy and grow their way out of current woes.

 

[Profet]

No joke. He has no power. And how much does value really go down? He's still controlled.

The ask of Lafreniere and Kakko + plus first isn't outrageous at all if Rangers want him now. Both guys are behind where Eichel was at this point and no guarantee of years he's had draft + 3,4,5. I guess there could be a discount for an injury plagued year in 2020-21 and Sabres don't trade if there is one.

Nobody is saying he's Matthews or McDavid. You're giving your top 5 prospects for Connor McDavid and top 4 for Matthews -- both command more than Eichel.

If Rangers fans say we are rebuilding and Eichel doesn't fit, that makes sense too but the trade will not be for anything less than top two prospects from anywhere and an A minus prospect.

This is laughable.

So you're saying you're trading Eichel based on team prospect ranking? As in all #1 team rated prospects are equal?

Come on...

 

[jay from jersey]

People continually forget Eichel can’t control where he goes until the start date of 22/23 season..

Buffalo could trade him in late June 2022 at draft to any team in the league.

only after the NMC kicks in can he control where he goes and Then his value goes down.

they will get value for him and teams will have to give up non spare parts.

Nobody is forgetting that. If it gets to that point and Eichel can basically force himself to the team he wants with the NMC, the Sabres would get a lot less. Yes right now Eichel has no control, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are only 3-4 maybe 5 teams the fit the criteria of trading for him

 

[TGWL]

lol great comparison. eichel is a ppg+ player in his early 20s when nash topped out as a 70 pt player in his prime

One was more of a goal scorer..

 

[TGWL]

People continually forget Eichel can’t control where he goes until the start date of 22/23 season..

Buffalo could trade him in late June 2022 at draft to any team in the league.

only after the NMC kicks in can he control where he goes and Then his value goes down.

they will get value for him and teams will have to give up non spare parts.

While true, GM's don't give up a ton for a player who might want out of their organization. Jack Eichel can't control where he is moved, but if there's any reason to believe Jack Eichel wants a certain destination, or doesn't want a certain destination, he'll still push Gm's away from offering a ton. With that said, there hasn't been any reason to believe Jack Eichel wants to only play for certain organizations.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

One was more of a goal scorer..

yeah I take the 80-90 pt player over the routine 35 goal scorer and don't even think twice about it or even compare the two. once about every five years nash would give you a 40 goal season but a ppg center is far more valuable than a 40 goal wing

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

lol great comparison. eichel is a ppg+ player in his early 20s when nash topped out as a 70 pt player in his prime

Underwhelming players with great hype playing on shitty teams, I'd say it's a decent comparison.

I think Eichel has 85-90 point potential but will he reach it?

 

[pld459666]

18 pages can be summed up here:

Buffalo - He's not going to bring back what you are expecting. They rarely if ever do.

Acquiring team - He's going to cost more than you are currently prepared to part with.

 

[TGWL]

yeah I take the 80-90 pt player over the routine 35 goal scorer and don't even think twice about it or even compare the two. once about every five years nash would give you a 40 goal season but a ppg center is far more valuable than a 40 goal wing

I'm not saying Eichel isn't better, but Nash was more known for being a goal scorer, so it's not really fair comparing points. Also, if we're counting point per game pace for Jack Eichel, instead of actual points, then Rick Nash has scored 40 goals 4 times, while hitting 39 twice.

 

[EK392000]

Underwhelming players with great hype playing on shitty teams, I'd say it's a decent comparison.

I think Eichel has 85-90 point potential but will he reach it?

He’s easily a 100 point player with a good supporting cast.

 

[Profet]

He’s easily a 100 point player with a good supporting cast.

But there's the rub... Every offseason it looks like Eichel is going to take off because Buffalo has finally surrounded him with a good supporting cast.

And every year, turns out not so much.

 

[EK392000]

But there's the rub... Every offseason it looks like Eichel is going to take off because Buffalo has finally surrounded him with a good supporting cast.

And every year, turns out not so much.

That’s not a knock against Eichel, it’s a knock against the organization he plays for. They should have done a better job at acquiring players to surround Eichel with. They could have dealt their 8th overall pick but chose to keep it to draft Jack Quinn, who wasn’t even the best player available at that pick. They have to be better because the clock is ticking.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I'm not saying Eichel isn't better, but Nash was more known for being a goal scorer, so it's not really fair comparing points. Also, if we're counting point per game pace for Jack Eichel, instead of actual points, then Rick Nash has scored 40 goals 4 times, while hitting 39 twice.

rick nash was a career 33 goal per 82 game player. eichel is sitting at roughly a career 72 point per 82 game pace just entering his prime

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

He’s easily a 100 point player with a good supporting cast.

Maybe, we can assume that but who really knows. There's not a lot of 100 points players.

 

[EK392000]

Maybe, we can assume that but who really knows. There's not a lot of 100 points players.

I don’t think it’s a far-reaching assumption. We all call Laine a 50 goal scorer and he has never scored 50. You can just tell that there’s more to be had with certain players. Laine can and will score 50, and Eichel will put up 100.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

rick nash was a career 33 goal per 82 game player. eichel is sitting at roughly a career 72 point per 82 game pace just entering his prime

I understand math is hard but 355pts in 375 games is a .94666666667 avg which translates into 77.626666667

 

[TGWL]

rick nash was a career 33 goal per 82 game player. eichel is sitting at roughly a career 72 point per 82 game pace just entering his prime

I'm not sure what you're saying here?

Rick Nash was a 0.43 goals per game at the time he was traded to NYR. (Roughly 35 goals per season /82). - That's 9 years and includes his rookie year of putting up only 17 goals. If you want to go through the next 3 years with the NYR, he put up /82 we get - 39, 33, 44. I'm not going through his last 4 seasons of concussions. Still - I'm not sure why you're comparing to Eichel's points . I agree that Eichel is better than Rick Nash.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I understand math is hard but 355pts in 375 games is a .94666666667 avg which translates into 77.626666667

i did the calculation previously and misremembered the number, either way, it further reinforces my point. the comparison to Rick Nash was just an absolutely terrible one on nearly every front. we can move on

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I'm not sure what you're saying here?

Rick Nash was a 0.43 goals per game at the time he was traded to NYR. (Roughly 35 goals per season /82). - That's 9 years and includes his rookie year of putting up only 17 goals. If you want to go through the next 3 years with the NYR, he put up /82 we get - 39, 33, 44. I'm not going through his last 4 seasons of concussions. Still - I'm not sure why you're comparing to Eichel's points . I agree that Eichel is better than Rick Nash.

I honestly dont even know why the suggestion of comparing Eichel to Nash was even brought up, it was a poor idea in principle and execution, almost nothing about them is even worth comparing

someone calling him a modern day rick nash was stupid