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Confirmed Trade: [NYR/BOS]Nick Holden for Rob O'Gara + 2018 3rd round pick
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Good move for both teams. Hope O Gara has a chance in Ranger uniform soon. He would have had a difficult time cracking the bruins roster.
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No, but you could use some top 4 guys. Your goalie is not going to keep carrying that team. Bruins will be fine.
And what's your point here. Holden out played him this season, hence why he was waived. If Smith wasn't out of shape, maybe he would have out played him, but he was out of shape, so he didn't.
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Lot of stupid and weird posts in a thread where it’s a clear example of a team paying a rental price for a dmen, which is something we see every year.
Holden is a good guy and a great teammate. Keep him on your third pair, or use him on the second pair in a pinch, and you’ll be happy. It’s not Holden’s fault that AV played him past his capabilities. Sweeney got a guy who can add insurance to cover for some of the younger dmen and can play both sides. It’s a perfectly fair trade that both teams win. I wish Holden all the best in Boston, and I’m eager to see what O’Gara can provide in the future.
Holden is a good guy and a great teammate. Keep him on your third pair, or use him on the second pair in a pinch, and you’ll be happy. It’s not Holden’s fault that AV played him past his capabilities. Sweeney got a guy who can add insurance to cover for some of the younger dmen and can play both sides. It’s a perfectly fair trade that both teams win. I wish Holden all the best in Boston, and I’m eager to see what O’Gara can provide in the future.
Richard Banger
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Bruins fans will be pleased with Holden if he's on the third pairing.
One Winged Angel
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My point is that Smith outplayed Holden when he was in shape. Smith screwed himself by making a poor choice.
Holden didn't do anything to outplay smith and has been brutal this season.
Stop trying to create a false narrative to bolster an argument that you don't have.
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HF is so comical. This is simply a cup contending team adding D depth. He’ll play as our number 6 or 7th D. Last year we had Tommy Cross playing in the playoffs because we had so many injuries on D.
We know what we got and the market has been set for that.
I’m curious to see what’s next for the Bruins at the TD. We’re fortunate enough to be considered cup contenders while being loaded with prospects. Something Rangers fans wouldn’t know. So enjoy your 3rd rounder and I hope you guys get the next McDonaugh 5 years from now! #Rebuild
We know what we got and the market has been set for that.
I’m curious to see what’s next for the Bruins at the TD. We’re fortunate enough to be considered cup contenders while being loaded with prospects. Something Rangers fans wouldn’t know. So enjoy your 3rd rounder and I hope you guys get the next McDonaugh 5 years from now! #Rebuild
Holden is fine. AV's defensive system is atrocious. He can be pretty good in the right system. Nice depth add for Boston. For the Rangers, safety in numbers with mid round picks. If you have 3-4 third round picks, hopefully one hits.
He’ll probably crack the Ranger lineup soon. In fact by Monday evening they will grabbing people off the street in front of the Garden who know how to stay up on skates just to have a 20 man roster.
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"Didnt do anything to out play Smith".... except, you know, actually play better than Smith this season?
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I take your point, but I guess what the guy was trying to say is that to play worse than Smith would have taken a real effort, whereas to be better was to play like an ECHL'er (not that I'm saying Holden is one).
Very happy with the trade, Holden was not someone I rated at all, but he will still probably be the best piece in this move when we look back in a few years, so it makes sense for the Bruins. Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
One Winged Angel
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Except he really didn't, he's been brutal.
If he played well, then the Rangers would have kept him, especially for what it's going to cost them.
Again, you keep trying to create a false narrative. Smith screwed himself. Holden didn't do anything to support what you're saying.
You can keep going with your vendetta against smith and your "haha I told you so" crusade against every Ranger fan, but your false narrative isn't correct by any stretch.
Holden is extremely underrated. As a 3-6 guy he can eat valuable minutes effectively. Just don't be surprised when he gets in trouble on your top pairing (cough..AV)
Good move for Boston, excellent asset management by the Rangers
Good move for Boston, excellent asset management by the Rangers
The S5
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Holden is a bottom pairing guy at best. He has an occasional flash of offense, but is consistently a cone in his own end. I would much rather get rid of him and pay a kid league minimum.
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Thats exactly what screwed the Bruins last year, playing a kid league minimum and having to actually play him in the playoffs.
This trade is ALL insurance for the Bruins.
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My take, Short version: Holden is a decent/good 3rd pair, who can move up need be. The Bruins paid about the right price to rent him.
I think this is a pretty fair deal. If the Rangers last year rented a player like Holden for a 3rd and say Graves, who is may be close to the equivalent value of O Gara (who admittedly I don't know anything about) that would have been fair. Renting Smith for a 2nd and 3rd was advantage Detroit.
Holden has pros and cons, He can get involved in the offense and be decent, yet sometimes those pinches are his undoing. He is not a bad puck mover, but again if he kept it more simple it would help his game. I was never a fan of his extended in zone defense, but under AV that is a badly coordinated fire drill regardless of who is out there yet I don't see Holden helping much in that regard even under a different coach. If the Bruins have enough defenders to put out there against the other teams best, if they can get those match-ups, likely Holden can do well enough against the lesser opposition players. I would not be surprised if both teams like what they end up with out of this deal.
Yet with that said, Bruins would still be better if they traded all their best prospects and picks to the Rangers for some of the other players the Rangers are selling.
I think this is a pretty fair deal. If the Rangers last year rented a player like Holden for a 3rd and say Graves, who is may be close to the equivalent value of O Gara (who admittedly I don't know anything about) that would have been fair. Renting Smith for a 2nd and 3rd was advantage Detroit.
Holden has pros and cons, He can get involved in the offense and be decent, yet sometimes those pinches are his undoing. He is not a bad puck mover, but again if he kept it more simple it would help his game. I was never a fan of his extended in zone defense, but under AV that is a badly coordinated fire drill regardless of who is out there yet I don't see Holden helping much in that regard even under a different coach. If the Bruins have enough defenders to put out there against the other teams best, if they can get those match-ups, likely Holden can do well enough against the lesser opposition players. I would not be surprised if both teams like what they end up with out of this deal.
Yet with that said, Bruins would still be better if they traded all their best prospects and picks to the Rangers for some of the other players the Rangers are selling.
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Good luck with that. Did you happen to catch him play during last years playoffs? You might have a different view if you did.
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